That is just a bad all around situation. Two wrongs don't make a right. The SUV driver should have been paying attention. It looks like the bike slowed down but not at any unreasonable rate either. The SUV Driver should face his punishment.

I know we all get angry and want to do the same thing to people who do not pay attention in their cars, we all have to be adults and not act like a bunch of bad a**es and assault a person. I would say the biker guys have a lot steeper punishment coming their way. Bad move by the biker guys.

 

I found the full video.
It looks like the bikers are crowding him in his own lane and slowing the entire highway before he hit one of em.
http://news.nationalpost.com/2013/0...orcycle-gang-surrounds-suv-attack-driver/#ooid=M0MWM4ZjpJKdPkA1B6tph7XwxkqHSYir

We had some crotch rocket gangs doing that over in Dallas a year or so ago. They shut down the entire interstate so they could 'stunt'.
I had a group of bikes with cars running interference, trying to shut down the highway so they could do their 70mph wheelies.
There we too many highway entrances and everytime they got the traffic slowed behind them, more cars would get on the highway in front of em.

The driver should have slowed; but those motorcyclists should lose their licence. And everyone of them that engaged in the assault (even if it was just hitting the SUV) should do jail time.

Scott

 

SUV driver clipped the biker... biker had a broken leg or arm not sure.

The driver had his wife and child with him. This type of rage should not be tolerated. A simple showing of a side arm by the driver would probably have settled down the helmet yielding zombies/idgits. Not a single person tried to stop the mob.

In another news bit...
Hey! Did you see the guy standing at the convenience store counter cold-cocking the attendant in the face when she told him he needed 40 cents more for the cigar?

Man! What is going on in this world?

 

I've seen these bike gangs do this time and again on the streets and highways of NYC. I can't respect the lawlessness of these gangs and feel no guilt when something happens to one of them. Those who live outside the law forgo its protections.

If a motorcycle gang were to encircle my vehicle with the intention of forcing me to stop (for any reason) I'd have no issue with running them over.

 

I've seen these bike gangs do this time and again on the streets and highways of NYC. I can't respect the lawlessness of these gangs and feel no guilt when something happens to one of them. Those who live outside the law forgo its protections.

If a motorcycle gang were to encircle my vehicle with the intention of forcing me to stop (for any reason) I'd have no issue with running them over.

You nailed exactly how I feel. If some one threatens the life of my family and me, then I plan on taking a few of them with me.

In this case I would not have got off the expressway, and if any of those guy got in front of me to slow me down I would make a reasonable effort to go around and dodge them but if they get caught between my tires and the pavement then too bad. I would be on the phone with the law or causing such a big scene that someone would have already called.

 

the douche-bag on the crotchie slowed down too fast for a 2 ton vehicle to match the braking. I saw the video countless times yesterday since it was on all the news channels. The biker was more concerned with how he looked on his buddy's GoPro than what was on the road.

I agree with Scott and SWV, I have no love lost for moronic jackasses who decide to do whatever they please on public roads. Not to mention there was no organization to their riding which basically means tough.

If it were me, I would have probably backed over the rest of the bikers when I got in town and stuck. No way you're coming at me with stupidity.

No, violence does not beget violence, nor do i condone it, but when you want to gang up on someone then you're asking for ass-beating.

 

Complete thuggery and an embarrassment for motorcyclists.

 

When I heard about it last night, I was thinking the SUV didn't stop after he hit the bike, and then the bikers reacted to stop him from making a hit and run. Haven't had a chance to watch the full video yet though.

 

The rocketeer slowed down and got clipped. The other bikers started hassling the driver. Another biker went to the aid of the guy that went down and the SUV driver felt threatened and hit the gas running over that biker cause multiple injuries. He is now in an induced coma and will possibly be paralyzed.

This thing really got out of hand and we see the result of mistakes and heightened emotions on both sides.

The chase ensued for 50 blocks with the bikers catching the suv driver and beating him. He was later released from the hospital.

 

The rocketeer slowed down and got clipped. The other bikers started hassling the driver. Another biker went to the aid of the guy that went down and the SUV driver felt threatened and hit the gas running over that biker cause multiple injuries. He is now in an induced coma and will possibly be paralyzed.

This thing really got out of hand and we see the result of mistakes and heightened emotions on both sides.

The chase ensued for 50 blocks with the bikers catching the suv driver and beating him. He was later released from the hospital.

The very slow speed and the way they are crowding him, really looks like there was an ongoing issue before the video starts.

But, according to police; "the initial contact was inadvertent on the part of the SUV driver and that the motorcyclists attacked the vehicle in response."

Images of this kind of response make it more dangerous on the roads for you and me.

We can't see what happens between when the cam guy passes the SUV and when it starts to 'plow ahead'.
But if it resembled the last few seconds of the video; I don't blame him a bit.

Scott

 

This is an example of the snow ball affect.... Everybody involved will have to live with this for the rest of their lives. In watching the video, I was trying to imagine all the other vehicles and the swarm of bikes when the chase ensued. It was chaos. I was surprised there wasn't another accident.

From the begining, the riders seemed to surround this SUV when the initial rider was struck.

 

I saw it online yesterday afternoon and they mentioned it on the Today Show this morning. Watching the video the crotch rocket dudes were completely disorganized idiots, the one guy looking around decides to stop in front of the Rover and gets hit, maybe the Rover dude was looking to his left or right to see if he could get out of the way but since he was completely surrounded and dude just stopped he hit him? They said that at that point he was surrounded and one of his tires slashed so he fled since he had his wife and 2 year old daughter with him. I don't blame him for plowing them idiots.

It might've been a legitimate accident but the idiots on the sportbikes overreacted and since they were all over the road unorganized failed to realize it was their fault and took on a mob mentality. Also the video doesn't show the start of the ride so we don't know if there was stuff going on that led to the incident. I feel sorry for the guy that tried to protect his family and the guy that got knocked over but his "friends" did him no favors with their actions.

 

We have this every year in St.Louis. For the last 11 years. Every single year people die, EVERY SINGLE YEAR MULTIPLE PEOPLE DIE! yet it continues. And yes, usually it's the same thing. Thousands of sportbike riders from all over the country converge. On Missouri's beautiful twisty roads, wide open state highways or even the lengths of interstate that run for miles and miles without a town in sight? No, of course not. Nope, on the crowded, poorly maintained interstate highway that wraps around St.Louis (I-270).

They crowd cars, shove them off the road, damage vehicles, stunt, and then complain when LEO's crack down and say "We have a right to assemble". That's right! You do! The constitution prevents the city from enacting a law that would ban large gatherings of high performance motorcycles. However, laws that prohibit wheelies, speeding, assault drivers, blocking emergency workers (one of the most sickening games they play is 'hunting ambulances' where they find ambulances, police cars, and fire engines with their lights on, surround them, and slow them down. Not all of those fatalities are the sportbikes.) are different. Yet they think they are immune. Then, when the police chase them and they wreck or get hit, they throw their arms up. Last year they threw this huge fit and said the the St.Louis County PD were 'tyrants' after one of them got run over by an LEO (when he tried to pull a group of them over who had knocked mirrors off of cars, one of them flipped the cop off, pulled a wheelie, then fell off his bike and got ran over; but it was the cops fault according to them, how dare he enforce the laws!). Then they said they would never be returning! Unfortunately, that wasn't true; they came back. They claim they bring all of this tourist money but that's also not true. Shoplifting, damage to hotels and parking lots, etc.

It's sickening because it makes us ALL look bad. What if I rode a sportbike and me and some sportbike buddies wanted to do a group ride? Out here I know exactly what a lot of these other drivers are going to be thinking.

Anyway, rant over. I don't know what the SUV driver did wrong, must've missed it when I watched. He very well may have. And that's fine, but he needs to worry about him, and you need to worry about you. They had helmet cams, someone could've gotten a license plate. They would have VIDEO EVIDENCE of whatever it was he did wrong. But instead, they put themselves in harms way.

A couple years ago when I got hit on my bike and the guy floored it and sped off because he got scared, I racked that throttle open (some damage to the bike but it was just a sideswipe, spun me around but somehow didn't get thrown off nor did I drop it), and I got ready to tear after the guy. When I let go of the clutch it stalled; duh, was still in 5th gear after hard braking and swerving. Lucky for me because then I thought about it, and thought; what am I gonna do when I catch up to him? Ruin my chance of getting justice? Have him run me over and leave me for dead AND have a justified self defense excuse that would probably mean he'd never even be prosecuted?. Or what if he stops and got out of the car; then what? If he were to do something and I were to defend myself, it sure would be hard to argue since I pursued him. Nothing good can come of it. These guys thought that because they were in a big group that they had the upperhand but they didn't, as they found out. And they've gone from having an ability to take video evidence to law enforcement and see this guy ticketed, to themselves winding up with charges (if identified) damage to motorcycles, and potential injuries and could've been death!

Okay okay; rant over!

 

Romans, Very well said.... I'm no angel, and will fly the bird, but that's where I'll draw the line (and I probably shouldn't do that). Some years ago I chased a guy for nearly hitting me (was on my Shadow ACE), and we reached speeds nearing 100mph (how stupid of me!). For what to tell him off. I decided then and there never again. My wife and I just this past Saturday were nearly clipped from behind (I could have touched his front fender) by two guys chasing each other (cars) down the freeway.

What happened in New York should have been nothing more than an accident. Now these guys will be facing criminal charges.

 

It was very clear in the video that the biker that got hit had some issue with the driver of the SUV. It was also clear the biker stopped short like a jack ass. He got hit it was it own damn fault. These punk idiots that then started attacking the SUV forced this issue.

I have now seen a video of the bikers mother and she is blaming the guy in the SUV? Lady take a long look at what actually happened and look at your son and all of his damn punk friends. THEY caused all of this!

I think I even heard someone blaming the SUV driver for a hit and run what a bunch of %*^$. From what I saw he did what he needed to do to protect him and his family.

Ok.. rant over.

 

Nothing good can come of it.

This pretty well sums it up! I don't care how moral we may think we are, we all have this thing in us that wants revenge but it never truly satisfies unless of course, you're watching a Clint Eastwood movie.

I look at these sorts of things this way. The guy that may be paralyzed, though he did nothing wrong, may in the end be glad this happened.

There is reason for all things that happen!

 

This pretty well sums it up! I don't care how moral we may think we are, we all have this thing in us that wants revenge but it never truly satisfies unless of course.

Isn't it said if seeking revenge, dig two graves....

 

That range rover could have (should have in my opinion) done a lot of damage to a lot of bikes at the speeds during the chase. I know I shouldn't think like that, but as mentioned before, if my wife and daughter are in need of protection, I'm not going to allow them to be in danger.
I watched the 6 minute version on youtube. Glad to be living in a very rural area!

 

The riders who smashed the SUV windows were very lucky that the driver did not have a gun on him. He could have easily shot them in self defense and gotten away with it, especially because he had a young child and wife around him who were in danger too. It is just stupid on the part of the bikers for what they did. It also gives people a bad impression about all motorcyclists. These crotch-rocket adrenaline junkies should do their stunts where there is no civilization for miles around.

 

We've all seen bikers riding like this. Crowding cars, lane splitting, showing off. If you act like a complete jerk on the road, this sort of thing is foreseeable.

I'm sure the SUV driver was scared. I'm unconvinced that the necessary course of action was for him to floor the accelerator and run over another biker, paralyzing him for life.

People clawing at the windows of a car like a bunch of zoo animals is no doubt scary. I'm just not certain it rises to the level of requiring deadly force.

 

We've all seen bikers riding like this. Crowding cars, lane splitting, showing off. If you act like a complete asshole on the road, this sort of thing is foreseeable.

I'm sure the SUV driver was scared. I'm unconvinced that the necessary course of action was for him to floor the accelerator and run over another biker, paralyzing him for life.

People clawing at the windows of a car like a bunch of zoo animals is no doubt scary. I'm just not certain it rises to the level of requiring deadly force.

Look at the end of the video. One of the riders stops towards the car, places both hands on the car door, and yanks it open. What he intended to do next we don't know because the driver then took steps to defend themselves!

He gained access into the vehicle to which he was not permitted. He did so in a threatening manner as well. This is no different than if someone broke into your home. You don't have to wait until they stab or shoot you to defend yourself. The biker he ran over was not an innocent bystander, but a culpable accomplice who was attempting to block him in order to allow this other individual to assault the driver.

 

We all have an idea what we would do until we are there.

We have a built in reflex when threatened to flee. This driver faced a crazy mob with anger and hatred in their eyes. He felt he had no choice but to go. Someone paid the price!

We know now that the driver's reaction to the threat made the situation more extreme.

The mob mentality overtook those who probably wish that they had tried to stop this whole event early on. The driver may also be wishing he had done something differently while in this awful situation.

What if there had been only 4 bikers instead of the mob? What if there had only been one biker slowing down in front of the SUV and then getting clipped? Would the driver have stopped?

The right thing to do in every confrontation is to attempt a peaceful resolution first... if this is not possible, no other way out, and you have folks to protect, step on the gas.

 

You can't understand crazy, and you can't reason with the unreasonable. It is just part of life. And if everyone of those people were reasonable, they would have called for help, check on their buddy and got him out of the road. But not everyone in that group was being reasonable at the time and made things worse.

 

When I went down, the first thing the doctor who happened to be driving behind me did was jump out of her car, grab my head, and prevent me from moving anywhere.

Someone clearly should have been in control of that mob, and nobody was.

 

I agree I would like to see the 2 minutes before the video starts, because it seems the first biker (one that slowed down and was bumped, hit, clipped, whatever you want to call it) was already having words with the suv as they drove down the road. I know the cops can't be everywhere, but in the video it shows 4 wheelers and dirt bikes on the road as well.

In the video the suv driver did stop he only ran over the bike (guy getting the broken leg) when the others began to swarm around his vehicle. If my wife and or grandkids were with me, I would try to leave too, then if followed and stopped again..... well there is a reason I carry a gun everywhere, it's not just when I go to work.

Still I would not want to be in that situation, but the safety and security of my family and I come first. The greeting message on my phone says "I will go home at the end of my shift". I truly believe this and live by it even away from work. I will go home.
> stepping down off my soapbox <

 

Here's a vid from before the SUV one. Same guy recording it, pulled it from YouTube but it's already out there. http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=3cd_1380579664

I also frequent "Glocktalk", a Glock forum. Lot's of talk over there and believe it or not the consensus was for the SUV to Run. Limited rounds, wife & child in the car, bikers packing heat as well. I tend to agree and I carry all the time. The phone and the highway were his best out. He failed to stay on the highway, for whatever reason that we'll not ever hear nor understand. Stress I would assume. Hoping that they would no follow?

 

I agree. If I had to pull a weapon, we're talking last resort. No way out. It's you or me, and it isn't gonna be me. If I can (without putting myself in additional danger) escape, evade, detain or disable; I'll do that. And while he was assaulted by definition of the law (ripping the door open), those bikers are probably all going to rehearse their statement about how 'he started it', which essentially throws self defense out the window in a lot of states. I have a feeling New York is probably one of them.

I'd have done the same thing. Don't know what got him into that mess, but even as a motorcyclist, I'd have done the same thing. Stopped when the bike pulled in front of me, would be dialing 911, and when that door flung open and a masked intruder made threatening motions towards me, I'd be evading the situation.

Now, if it was some innocent bystander in front of me? Things would be different. But the individual who blocked him in is completely culpable and knew exactly what he was doing. He intended to block the driver so that the driver could be assaulted. He's not an innocent bystander caught in the crossfire. What did the other guy intend to do once he got the door open? A lot of these guys take their plates off when they do their big sportbike mobs. He has a face shield on. Would be near impossible to identify him. What were his intentions? I wouldn't have stuck around to find out. He didn't look very big but when he has a helmet, gear, and probably some body armor; there's not a lot you can do.

 

30 guys, and he only got a couple .... what a bad driver .... after getting the last one, I would have backed up to get me some more.

I have absolutely no sympathy for these idiots. Had he been armed, the situation still would still not have been a even deal .... he would only have had so many bullets .. who knows what they were carrying.

And yes ... the mother on the radio interviewed on CNN is just as big of an idiot. Oh ... her poor boy, what a load of crap. What comes around goes around, and for at least 2 of them, it came around rather quickly.

 

I'd like to see a $25,000 fine or 2 years in jail for anyone who can be identified from these videos. That should put a damper on these activities.

 

2 have already been arrested ...at this time the driver had not been charged.

 

I see these guys constantly on the weekends here in NYC and they are usually 30 bikes at a minimum. They tie up all the streets, run through the lights, cause congestion constantly, the cops follow them and don't do anything to stop them which i guess they can't because once they chase the bikers the bikers start to ride on the sidewalks to get away which harms pedestrians. Basically they wait for the accident to occur.. Last year one of the bikers was killed riding in a pack like this.Several times i see the police following but not intervening. These bikers are basically unlicensed kids some as young as 15 riding dirt bikes, atv's and speed bikes, girls, boys, white, black & Latin. They are not a gang contrary to what the videos show although some of them probably belong to clubs and pick up other stragglers along the way.
I don't blame the driver for gunning it when he was surrounded as i would of done the same with my wife and kids in the car but i do blame him for not slowing down before the incident started. Common sense tells you that when 100 bikers come up on you, you slow down or pull over to let them pass. Hopefully this incident puts a stop to this behavior here in NYC because it is really a nuisance as it occurs often in the summer, like every weekend.

 

Several lessons to be learned here.

First, if I ever find myself in the position of the driver of the car and surrounded by 30 angry bikers, STAY ON THE HIGHWAY AND KEEP MOVING FAST. At 70 to 80 mph, all you have to do is bump a bike and he won't be a problem to you anymore.

Second, carry more ammo and even a spare gun if possible. One may not be enough.

 

The SUV driver did the right thing, and I have no sympathy for the miscreant bikers. Just a reminder - in NYC, as along most of the East Coast, possession of a gun is a serious crime, so it's unlikely a non-outlaw (such as, it would seem the SUV driver) was armed. Michael "trust us, we're the government and we're here to help" Bloomberg, soon-to-be-ex-mayor of NYC, pays for Mayors Against Guns with his own money (he's a multi-billionaire). He has announced that after he leaves office in January he will be focusing all of his energies and money on creating even more helpless victims all over the US. And let's not forget that John Kerry, at the direction of our fearless leader Obama, signed the UN citizens' disarmament treaty last week. Excellent for murderous regimes and crooks, not so much for everyone else.

I feel safer already, don't you?