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I know this is a motorcycle forum, but the topic has came a few times over the last few days (because I got a ticket over it, oops). Just curious of what you all think about it and what the legal limits are in your state. VA is pretty strict 40% I believe.

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It is 50% front side
35% rear side
20% back.
 

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I went to my eye doctor and got a letter that says I need tint. Funny thing, I've never been pulled over for it and both my wife's car and my truck have 15% tint.

Our law in WA: The maximum level of sunscreening material to be applied to any window, except the windshield, shall have a total reflectance of 35% or less, and a light transmittance of 24% or more
 

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My truck metered at 17% on the front side and the rest is factory with is about 20%. I have had tint that dark for the last 8 years, but for some reason they wanted to write me. Looked like a new young state trooper.
 

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In Missouri, Front windows are allowed only above the "AS-1" line, which I believe is where factory tint on cars usually is. Then it's 35% for driver and passenger windows; and any tint for rear window and rear passenger windows is allowed.

A big problem with Missouri though is municipalities. Especially the little bitty ones around St. Louis that have uh... been in the news a lot recently. (Ferguson? Ever hear of that one? They've mentioned it once or twice :) )Ones that are a city block in side and have a population of 150 and have a police department with 15 cops. They often have municipal ordinances banning all manner of things and often times, they are allowed to trump state laws. So you end up with tickets for basically turning down the wrong street, which isn't just a neighborhood, it's it's own dang city with it's own dang laws! Missouri is REALLY bad about that.



Looks like a friggin' jigsaw puzzle. Each of those little colors is it's own city, with it's own police department, it's own municipal ordinances, and often, it's own court.

What's equally bad are postage stamp towns out on windy roads. Those you have to be careful on a motorcycle! Cruising along on a 60mph 2-lane road. Then you come to a "city", which still looks like the same stinking farm, but there's a 25mph speed limit sign and a cop in a rusty 1999 Dodge Stratus (no joke, I've seen that! With a magnet that said 'police' on the side) sitting behind the speed limit sign doing the uh... "city fundraiser"! I've also seen these postage stamp towns with 'police cars' that are old rusty pickup trucks, you name it. And they often only have ONE cop, who is part time or volunteer, uses the old truck, and writes a few tickets. And that's their budget. Cities that really have no need to be incorporated and ought to just be a part of their respective counties and taken care of by the country sheriff. (But then, they don't get money when the Sherrif pulls you over!)
 

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My truck metered at 17% on the front side and the rest is factory with is about 20%. I have had tint that dark for the last 8 years, but for some reason they wanted to write me. Looked like a new young state trooper.
Two of my BIL's are police officers and they both say a state trooper will write their grandmother for going 3 over. They said the way they are trained in most states is to be absolutely by the book no exceptions.

Crazy that factory stuff can be illegal. But sometimes it can!
 

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Two of my BIL's are police officers and they both say a state trooper will write their grandmother for going 3 over. They said the way they are trained in most states is to be absolutely by the book no exceptions.

Crazy that factory stuff can be illegal. But sometimes it can!
I know, it's nuts. A lot of folks buy the new lifted trucks for more money around here just because it gets them around the law. I wonder if you can order a truck from factory with a particular value of tint. I know the paperwork for mine said it had a UV coating and you could tell it was SLIGHTLY darker like 85% or something.
 

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I know, it's nuts. A lot of folks buy the new lifted trucks for more money around here just because it gets them around the law. I wonder if you can order a truck from factory with a particular value of tint. I know the paperwork for mine said it had a UV coating and you could tell it was SLIGHTLY darker like 85% or something.
Just take a wheel off. Then it's a motorcycle! Ha!

That was popular in the 30's and 40's, especially in Europe, where taxes on cars were high but were cheap on motorcycles. Enterprising folks figured out that a "car" had four wheels and so something with three wheels is, legally, a motorcycle! Everything from big steel enclosed things with a big motor to small, cheap, V-Twin powered "autocycles"



We're seeing them come back. Not because of taxes this time, but because of so many state, local, and federal laws surrounding cars, required equipment, etc. Don't get me wrong; a lot of it is good. Companies would gladly sell you a car that would kill you in a low speed collision if it meant they could sell twice as many of them. So it's nice to have some oversight to require the cars on the road to be safe for everybody. You can't drive around in an 18-wheeler with no brakes, for example.

But the "Elio" is the perpetually pushed back car that might, maybe, in the future come out. It's an enclosed, air conditioned, ultra high MPG three wheeler that will be licensed as a motorcycle (but in almost every state, will be exempt from the helmet law). While it'll have airbags, it's exempt from the very expensive safety and emissions testing (not the one you do on your car, the several-hundred-thousand dollar ones manufacturers have to do before they are allowed to sell the car). So, in theory, it's gonna be sub-$7,000 for a 2-seat car with A/C, heat, and windshield wipers. The Polaris slingshot as a cheap sports-car with three wheels so it doesn't have to have silly things like airbags to slow you down. And Morgan (the pic above) has even resurrected their 30's and 40's autocycle as a brand new model with a Mazda MX-5 transmission and a 125" S&S V-Twin.

So there's always ways around it! I guess if, after more than half a century they haven't closed the "autocycle" loophole, then they probably never will!

2012 Model Morgan: (By the way, my dream car. While the original Morgan was super cheap and a 'poor mans' way to get around, the New Morgan, and likewise, surviving originals, are in excess of $70k. But I would LOVE to own one.)

If I ever won the lottery I don't play, or inherited money from dead relatives I don't have; I think I'd buy a brand new Morgan and find an engineer willing to shoehorn a V2K motor in front. I think the S&S motor is pretty ugly and S&S isn't known for reliability. But a metric motor would take a lot of modifications because you'd be running it sans-transmission (feeding it through the MX-5 gearbox).

 

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As seen on British TopGear :)
Ahem. There is only one Top Gear. All others are imposters. Including whatever drivel comes after Clarkson, Hammond, and May now that they are gone. Besides, who else could tame the Stig?

Actually, I had heard about the original ones years ago. Jay Leno has one and I've seen his videos showing off the 'originals' and I had heard about them before. I just fell in love with the idea, the looks, everything. I would so love to take one of those on a long trip. The sound is just great (as a V-Twin of course). Then they came out again and I thought wahoo! But, then, the price. They are still handmade, and made of wood. "Back in the day", wood was a cheap building material and the people working on them worked for nothing. Now it's highly paid 'craftsman' working with wood because of 'nostalgia' or something. Frankly, the COOLEST Morgan ever would be one with a light aluminum frame and aluminum panels riveted on (a la WWII era fighter). Oh man, now THAT would be just about the coolest thing in the world. :cool:
 

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A lot of the inspections I agree with that VA has a part of their yearly inspection, but some others are a bit on the picky side. No brakes and ball joints bad, yeah that is a good thing to check for. Oh all your lights are working except one of your fog lights. Oh you get rejected, but if you take them both out of the car then you pass.
 

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A lot of the inspections I agree with that VA has a part of their yearly inspection, but some others are a bit on the picky side. No brakes and ball joints bad, yeah that is a good thing to check for. Oh all your lights are working except one of your fog lights. Oh you get rejected, but if you take them both out of the car then you pass.
Haha yeah some of that stuff is silly. On motorcycles here, no turn signals is fine. A turn signal that doesn't work is a fail. No mirrors is fine, a broken mirror is a fail. I've been told that backup cameras will be added to that list. No backup camera, no problem. If your OEM backup camera on a car built after a certain year isn't working, that's a fail. Now THAT is an expensive endeavor!
 

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Glad I live in Fl... in inspections.. but on the other side, you have to deal with a lot of crap vehicles on the roads..
 

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Strangely enough we do not have inspections in Cali. You can drive/ride any bucket of bolts, as long as it passes smog inspection once every two years. Back window and back side windows (car van etc) can be tinted as dark as you want. No reflective tint though. Front side windows must allow 70% or more light in. So light tint is allowed. Motorcycle vizors can be tinted, reflective etc. It is not recommended to ride at night with a tinted vizor, but it is not prohibited. My family cage is tinted. Never had any problems.
 

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It's not always a popular opinion but I'm a big fan of safety inspections. Here's it's $12. Ironically, while the $12 inspection includes removing a wheel to check brakes, checking horn and lights, etc,. there's also a required $24 emissions inspections which involves plugging something into the ODB port to make sure it's not throwing an emissions code. Go figure.

We do have a 'limit', where if you spend over a certain amount, you will pass by default. Guess it helps prevent low-income folks from being sidelined due to a breakdown; but the thing is, driving is a privilege; not a right. Well share the same roads and I think it's a reasonable thing to expect they all be in safe working order. They do go overboard sometimes; for sure. But I like that you can't just drive around with worn out bearings, ground down brakes, etc. My mom got rear-ended by a guy at a light who admitted to seeing the light change and seeing her hit her brakes in time (she didn't slam on them by any means); but him having a bad master cylinder in his truck and brakes you had to "pump up". After plowing into her car he said "Yeah, I've been meaning to get that fixed". It's a bit of a pet peeve that people actually think that's okay, that as a society we should tolerate. You getting onto public roads putting other peoples lives in danger with a vehicle with a glaring safety issue. It's not just your risk, it's the risk everyone else takes too. Of course, he didn't have insurance either.
 

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@Romans5.8 You would not believe what sort of getto-buckets are driving around here. Junk yard would not take them. I am not saying it is good. Quite the contrary in fact. From old VW, You know, the Hitler's Mobile, that did not see an oil change since the hippies moved to Berkeley to GMC vans that also double as low cost housing, that and the trash on the roads. I do not mean plastic bags, I mean stuff like couches, buckets of paint, cardboard boxes etc. You'd think Cali would have safety inspections, if for nothing else except revenue for the state. Nope. We do not have them. Only $1000 fine for dumping a couch on a highway, and only if you get caught.
 

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Insurance people don't care, all they see is that they can raise premiums do to neglect. . In their eyes (well mine) they don't seem to care about life.
 

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Also living in VA and dealing with overzealous rookie troopers I understand SWVA's frustrations. As far as safety inspections go, I don't mind having them done once a year. But the way they go about them and what constitutes passing vs failing is a bit extreme in some cases. Hell, in VA, you get a vehicle that would cost more than it's worth to make it pass inspection, throw "Farm Use" tag from Tractor Supply on the back and no more need for inspection, tags, insurance, or anything else. Unless they changed the laws about that and I'm not aware of it. But thats how it used to be a few years ago.
 
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