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Gotta vent a little......Participated in a Patriot Guard Ride today and a Harley riding next to me had slash cut pipes, (not sure what brand) but they were ear splitting loud. The guy had to get on it every couple of seconds just to let everyone know his pipes were loud, and every underpass he had to rev the engine as we went under it. I guess it was just my luck to be ride next to this guy, but it sure was annoying after awhile. I had a hard time hearing after riding 40 miles next to him to the Cemetery; I just don't see the reason for pipes being that loud. (imho) Happy to have him participate in the procession, but I guess I'll have to make sure I have ear plugs in next time. I guess it would be senseless to ask for a little restraint when riding in this type of event....Sigh!
 

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When I first started riding motorcycles in the early 70's, you'd get busted for anything that made any noise much above stock. And stock had to be relatively quite. Straight pipes would not have been tolerated. I'm not sure what changed, but it has really become annoying. I swear everybody with loud pipes thinks they're Arnold in Terminator. I hear all these guys claim loud pipes save lives; they don't and that's a proven fact. If cagers will look directly at you and still pull out in front of you, noise won't stop them either. It's probably another manifestation of Napoleon syndrome. I just love the South Park episode called "The F Word". Bikers invade South Park with loud exhausts and the boys take care of them; it's priceless.

http://www.southparkstudios.com/episodes/251889
 

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Usually, and from now on you'll think to ask, you can get placed next to people with respectable pipes. All you gotta do is ask.

There probably are a few cases where a loud motorcycle has saved a life. There are about 50 states that constantly think about making them illegal thanks to some jerk. Loud noise WILL make you deaf after a while. Maybe that's why the pipe guys don't want to hear about it? But I still am for personal choice.

Another thing to have on a PGR ride is ear plugs or noise canceling ear phones. That will make the issue moot AND with longer distances at speed you should have some kind of ear protection anyways.
 

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*mmmph, mmm mmm Mph hmmm*

There ya go, my 2 cents. :)
 

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pipe problems

I put a cobra 2into1 on my 900C for performance, not noise. The stocker exhaust sounds like a sewing machine, but it also restricts the 900 from high rev breathing, and we all know about the revs....After I installed the new pipes, the high rev shaking virtually disappeared, and there was more oomph to carry a wide load like myself at +70 speeds. Sure, it is louder, but if you are mature at all, you don't have to crack and fart all the way thru town...:eek:
 

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Ahhh...the oooold "Loud Pipe" debate! :rolleyes:

My Harley has gutted pipes, and my VN has stock, so I'm living on both sides of this argument. I'm going to do something like a stage 2 on my 900 (Someday...:mad:) and I wish my VRSC pipes were a little quieter, BUT I do believe that sometimes loud(er) pipes do get you noticed, and that CAN save lives.
I also believe that the loud pipe debate is a lot more about throttle discipline and a little courtesy than it is about how much your pipes are uncorked. I ROUTINELY ask my neighbors to inform me if my pipes disturb them...and I keep my RPMs low on BOTH bikes when I'm in neighborhoods. I've talked to the LEOs in my area to make sure we're square about my noise pollution...I believe that a courteous operator AND loud pipes can coexist...but that's how I roll.
Pistols save lives too. But...if you choose to use yours in a manner that is shall we say....discourteous, then you're going to have problems with the general public about THAT also!!:D
There's always some low-octane type out there that mucks it up for the rest of us. Always will be, but in my area the LEOs usually deal with those A$$holes on a "one on one" basis, and leave the rest of us alone.
Some states have adopted strict laws about decibel polluters, which is why I keep an unmodified set of pipes for my bikes....and for warranty purposes too. If I get a ticket...I'll pay the man.
I think that LEOs aught to be busting meth labs and locking up rapists, but if enough idiots out there disturb the public with their pipes - then the states can make money on noisy bikes too. Me? I won't blame the PO-PO if that happens....that's on US! :cool:
 

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California just passed a law, anything over 80 decibels is illegal. They can only site you if you are pulled over for another violation.
My guess is, if you are cracking the throttle and making a lot of noise, they will find a reason to get you.

When I was a teenager running around the streets with illegal headers on my 57 Chevy, I always put the clutch in and coasted by the cops out of respect for them and my wallet.

Perhaps people with excessively loud pipes should do the same. I think it's only a matter of time before all municipalities crack down on loud pipes.

I like the sound of the 9's stock pipes (though it is a little too quite). I put Dunstall Megaphones on my wife's bike, then I couldn't hear my 9 run at all. So I just put V&H Slashcuts on it. It's loud, but I don't think it is excessively loud.

My neighbor has debaffled drag pipes on his softail. That in my opinion is excessively loud.

I have come to realize that pipes are a very subjective subject and to each his/her own.

I also think a motorcycle should sound like a motorcycle.

Just my two cents, happy riding.
 

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Ahhh...the oooold "Loud Pipe" debate! :rolleyes:

My Harley has gutted pipes, and my VN has stock, so I'm living on both sides of this argument. I'm going to do something like a stage 2 on my 900 (Someday...:mad:) and I wish my VRSC pipes were a little quieter, BUT I do believe that sometimes loud(er) pipes do get you noticed, and that CAN save lives.
I also believe that the loud pipe debate is a lot more about throttle discipline and a little courtesy than it is about how much your pipes are uncorked. I ROUTINELY ask my neighbors to inform me if my pipes disturb them...and I keep my RPMs low on BOTH bikes when I'm in neighborhoods. I've talked to the LEOs in my area to make sure we're square about my noise pollution...I believe that a courteous operator AND loud pipes can coexist...but that's how I roll.
Pistols save lives too. But...if you choose to use yours in a manner that is shall we say....discourteous, then you're going to have problems with the general public about THAT also!!:D
There's always some low-octane type out there that mucks it up for the rest of us. Always will be, but in my area the LEOs usually deal with those A$$holes on a "one on one" basis, and leave the rest of us alone.
Some states have adopted strict laws about decibel polluters, which is why I keep an unmodified set of pipes for my bikes....and for warranty purposes too. If I get a ticket...I'll pay the man.
I think that LEOs aught to be busting meth labs and locking up rapists, but if enough idiots out there disturb the public with their pipes - then the states can make money on noisy bikes too. Me? I won't blame the PO-PO if that happens....that's on US! :cool:
Well said ETC(SS). I agree 100%. I was writing while you were posting. Very nicely put. :)
 

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Well I bought a set of Cobra Slashdowns today. Won't be putting them on for a little while, couple weeks I suppose. I am a bit concerned they are going to be VERY loud. I have heard the 900's with the Speedster Longs and both of them I would swear had no baffles in them but the owners claim they did.

My Nomad came with V&H Dooleys and they are nice sounding but at times a bit loud but the 900's are always louder.

One thing I keep seeing on here is how most riders are modding their exhaust very early. I have stated a few times that as my bike got some miles on her the exhaust note changed and got louder. It has a nice note now for stock. Its mostly noticeable when someone else is riding it around near me or if I am riding with out my helmet at slower speeds. Twisting the throttle you just can't tell.

When is LOUD to LOUD? When the guy ahead of you is over 1/4 mile ahead of you and you can't hear your 1600 Nomad with V&H's over his "Harley". I called it a Harley because that is what it had to be until I found out it was an 1100 Virago. We both pulled off to gas up at the same place. It was so freaking loud that I swear it sounded like he was with in a 100 yards of me.

The only real reason I am buying aftermarket exhaust for T'Pol is because my lower muffler received a bruise from the hit n run incident a few weekends ago. Since the exhaust note has changed with the pipes why put on a brand new one and make it sound like a Briggs and Stratton? LOL Plus the retail price of one Kawi muff is more than the retail price of most Cobra exhausts. So, I bit. I will definately be buying a smartpartz baffle set I am sure.
 

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What really saves lives?

HELMETS
If the people that use the argument that loud pipes save lives were actually concerned about saving lives, they'd push helmet use, too. Loud pipes usually go hand in hand with no helmet, in my experience anyway. Helmets that provide good protectection (not just the skimpy skull buckets - which are better than nothing) really do save lives. It is pointed out that if you ride it is not a matter of if you will crash but when. I've been riding for about 35 years, laid it down twice. Once to avoid a knuckle head pulling out in front of me (loud pipes wouldn't have mattered because of the volume of his sound system) and another from sliding on wet sand on a road on Cape Cod, banged my helmet on the pavement both times and got serious road rash from the sand episode. I do appreciate the sound of a V-twin cycle or a V-8 car engine (oh the sweet sound of a V-12), but neither should be so loud on a public street or highway as to cause another biker/driver or "civilian" hearing loss. And when you start talking about performance gains, well, SHOW ME THE DYNO! I'd be willing to bet for the most part, the best improvement from after market pipes or debaffled stock would be in the area of 5%, maybe 2hp, if that. And your posterior is that sensitive it can pick up that increase, amazing. The 900's have 4 valve cylinder heads, fuel injection and liquid cooling. They perform close to an 1100-1200 air-cooled engine. Without serious modification to intake and exhaust (not to mention transmission), you just aren't going to gain much. And all that talk about "feeling" an improvement is just too subjective. That's why I say show me the dyno (before and after). Then I'll become a believer. Do people realize how much time is spent by a manufacturer on research, design, development and testing engine and drive train performance?

Anway, back to the point - WEAR YOUR HELMET, your brain will appreciate it.
 

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thus my downgrade

bought a 06 Vulcan 900 classic and it had cobra speedster shorts that were just ridiculouly loud...sold those and downgraded back to OEM pipes.

the individual i sold the cobras to...responded to me as such after installing them, "they're not loud...they're obnoxious, :) "

too much for me...but, I like to ride just to ride and not attract too much attention. low key individual. but, to each his own, not judging. :)
 

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Gotta vent a little......Participated in a Patriot Guard Ride today and a Harley riding next to me had slash cut pipes, (not sure what brand) but they were ear splitting loud. The guy had to get on it every couple of seconds just to let everyone know his pipes were loud, and every underpass he had to rev the engine as we went under it. I guess it was just my luck to be ride next to this guy, but it sure was annoying after awhile. I had a hard time hearing after riding 40 miles next to him to the Cemetery; I just don't see the reason for pipes being that loud. (imho) Happy to have him participate in the procession, but I guess I'll have to make sure I have ear plugs in next time. I guess it would be senseless to ask for a little restraint when riding in this type of event....Sigh!
You know what they say, the louder the pipes , the smaller the weiner, Harley riders tend to have very small weiiners, for some reason they tend to want to show us that, by revving the crap out of their bikes at every opportunity ... dont Harleys idle like every other bike ???? Not biased, just an ear observation.
 

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HELMETS


Anway, back to the point - WEAR YOUR HELMET, your brain will appreciate it.
To day on my way home i was passed by a Harley rider in Illinios, Loud pipes, no helmet, muscle shirt, shorts, no gloves and Duckies

You know them plastic shoes with holes in em ... go figure.
 

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The helmet debate is going to be solved for us by government run/sponsored/controlled (you pick the adjective) health care...just like 50-state seatbelt laws were a few years back. It's just a matter of time. Personally? I really don't care. As a military reservist, I don't have a choice. If I ride - I have to wear ATG/ATT. Not a political statement....just pointing out how it is and is gonna be (IMHO.)
I feel that if you want to turn your bike into a "donor-cycle", and I'm not footing your health care, then maybe Darwin had a point and you should be edited out of the gene pool. It's a shame for your spouse/parents/siblings etc...but I'm certainly into the freedom of choice thing, AS LONG as I'm not paying for your health care.
The loud pipe argument has always been about how YOUR "freedom of expression" impacts other people. The US Constitution (as amended) guarantees that you have the GOD given right to be wrong - as long as you don't infringe on somebody else's rights...Government 101.

The performance aspect of these designer pipes has always been another hot topic for rancor. I read a looong, "dyno verified" report on the top 7-8 pipes for my other bike (VRSC) and half of the pipes actually resulted in horsepower LOSSES, as tabulated by the tester. For the pipes that resulted in HP gains, those were miniscule to say the least....averaging less than 5 percent. Can you feel an extra 2-3 HP on a 125 HP bike? Maybe. Can you feel 2 RWHP on a 50HP (VN900) bike? I think maybe you should, but most folks buy pipes for (a)sound, and (b)looks. I'll wager that dyno testing on VN900 pipe replacements will not show much in the way of net RWHP gains - and you can (and people DO) interpret dyno run gains and losses veeeery differently.

If you like setting off car alarms with your scoot, that's OK I guess, but don't be surprised if "Big Brother" comes down on us eventually. He's pretty busy these days, but if we're the nail that sticks up - we're gonna get hammered down!
Hey....just my 2 centavos!! :cool:
 

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Too Loud = Migraines

To anyone that thinks loud pipes are the way to go, try riding behind a loud bike for a couple of hours and see if you don't end up with a throbbing headache. It's just for that reason that we always put our loud bikes at the back of the pack.
 

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Ok, loud pipes and helmets can save lives.
How do you know when they're too loud?? when your own neighbors give you the mad face, when you scare a kid walking down the sidewalk or when you have to wear ear plugs because not even yourself can hand it.

I have a set of V&H pipes on my ride and while out of the box they sounded pretty good I still needed just a tad more so people could hear me while on the freeway. So once I took the baffles out and while it was very loud I myself could not handle the noise so I instead modified the baffles and now sounds perfect and people can hear me coming but not crazy loud.
 

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Gotta vent a little......Participated in a Patriot Guard Ride today and a Harley riding next to me had slash cut pipes, (not sure what brand) but they were ear splitting loud. The guy had to get on it every couple of seconds just to let everyone know his pipes were loud, and every underpass he had to rev the engine as we went under it. I guess it was just my luck to be ride next to this guy, but it sure was annoying after awhile. I had a hard time hearing after riding 40 miles next to him to the Cemetery; I just don't see the reason for pipes being that loud. (imho) Happy to have him participate in the procession, but I guess I'll have to make sure I have ear plugs in next time. I guess it would be senseless to ask for a little restraint when riding in this type of event....Sigh!
What you describe reminds me of the South Park Biker episode for sure :)

Look it up. Its pretty good.

http://www.youtube.com/v/z_3Rl-MGcJY?fs=1amp;hl=en_US

Harley riders are not happy until everyone is looking at them...
 
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