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Hey guys so I posted a similiar thread in the new members page also but figured I would try my luck here, my names Dave im an ex harley and Kawi/zook tech. But haven't really riden many metric cruisers other then customers bikes and new test rides back in 07-08. Anyway last year I was at my local Kawi dealer and spoted the vaquero. Now the closer I get to payin off my HD dyna the more I think a vaquero would make a great 2nd bike as I can dailey it from about March-Oct. My questions are how do guys who have them like them and how do they hold up? Not trying to put anyone down but having worked on both I can say HD quality is top notch compared to most metrics, fit and finish isn't even a contest, atleast it wasn't back in 07-08 when I worked for Kawi. Is the vaquero a solid bike? Are the fenders metal are the turn signals metal? How is the radio on the highway? I won't have my dyna paid off for probably another year but damn the vaquero is a great looking bike and at 10l less then the road glide seems like a good deal, just looking for opnions thanks
 

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Hey guys so I posted a similiar thread in the new members page also but figured I would try my luck here, my names Dave im an ex harley and Kawi/zook tech. But haven't really riden many metric cruisers other then customers bikes and new test rides back in 07-08. Anyway last year I was at my local Kawi dealer and spoted the vaquero. Now the closer I get to payin off my HD dyna the more I think a vaquero would make a great 2nd bike as I can dailey it from about March-Oct. My questions are how do guys who have them like them and how do they hold up? Not trying to put anyone down but having worked on both I can say HD quality is top notch compared to most metrics, fit and finish isn't even a contest, atleast it wasn't back in 07-08 when I worked for Kawi. Is the vaquero a solid bike? Are the fenders metal are the turn signals metal? How is the radio on the highway? I won't have my dyna paid off for probably another year but damn the vaquero is a great looking bike and at 10l less then the road glide seems like a good deal, just looking for opnions thanks
The fit and finish might not be up to HD standards, but these bikes are made to ride instead of just looking great in the garage or in front of the bar.

No oil leaks. Great handling, brakes, and acceleration. Easily run well over 100,000 miles with no repairs. Then when you compare the cost a new Vaquero vs a roadglide, it is a no Brainer. The prices I was quoted makes them $8000 apart.
 

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Thank you for the reply. And yea price is a huge factor at 16k sticker I was slighty off put by the vaquero but having done rescearch im seeing them for 13-14k brandnew and im seeing low mile preowned a for around 10k. I mean that's Harley Davidson Dyna money for a bagger. Like you said I know the road glides are close to 24k even though they hold their value well the initial out of pocket costs negate that value. I wouldn't get rid of my harley but I will Deff probably be looking for a bagger once mine is paid off. I owe about 5k on mine still. How is the radio on the high way? And are the fenders metal? I need to get to my Kawi dealer and look for myself but I don't wanna go in until im ready to buy, thanks again
 

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HD quality is top notch compared to most metrics
I do value your opinion, but having ridden HD every day for 22 years for a living.... I have seen some lousy fit and finish and longevity on some HD's

I have a 2011 Voyager... it is OK, but the fit and finish is not quit as good as my last metric, a 2002 Yamaha Venture, which had 350,000 miles on it when I traded it in on the Voyager. The last time I had the valves checked, around 257k, it still did not need valve adjustment. (uses shims)

I have been around a lot of HD riders over 50 years... I have never heard of any HD ever getting that kind of mileage, considering all I ever did was oil and tire changes on the Venture...

Now the past few years HD has some nice models.... I have ridden the new Ultra a lot the past year (other HD friends who keep trying to get me to go HD, but I never will) Yes there are some neat electronics on them, the fit and finish is good, but the ride is still awful. In my opinion......

The ride on the Venture was a lot more comfortable then ay HD I have ridden, including my Voyager.... too bad they do not make them any more.... I also had a couple Goldwings.... they were OK too.... BMW's in the 60's

Now about a Vaquero.... nothing wrong with them. But I am a full dresser person...
 

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Thanks for the replies. I am just a fan of metal over plastic even though I'm sure harley metal is twain made cheap chrome plated metal to me it still feels better. I have had many old japenese bikes and they were all metal fenders and mirrors ect... I've had a ton of suzuki Gs's from 550s up to 1000s same with kz's. But the newer stuff to me just seems like the metrics cut corners to save money. I will say that from the mid 2000s to now all cruisers have really stepped their game up. My one buddy who used to work at kawasaki/suzuki with me rides a nasty stretched out gsxr1000. Ever since I got my HD that's all he talks about now, even wears an HD hat. Says "I'll only ever ride hd" yet he doesn't even own one yet an listed his gixxer on CL last week, he drank the cool aide before he even bought the bike lol. My 2nd bike Will most likely be a vaquero or maybe a victory cross country if I could get a pre owned one cheap enough, at 28 years old I just can't spend 20k on a bike or afford a $500 a month bike payment. I would ultimately like a road glide or road King however I could buy a brandnew vaquero for the cost of a 8 year old hd bagger
 

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The fit and finish won't be quite as good, but it is nice. The fenders are metal, but there is a lot of plastic on these bikes. The radio is decent on the highway but it could be complimented with some rear speakers. Not much to say. They're slow, but uncorked with a good pipe and intake they will move. The problem is an 80" evo with solid headwork and a good cam like a Bob Woods W9, or an Andrews EV57 will run circles around one of these, and that is only $500 bucks of work on a bike you can pick up for under 6k. Throw in 89" stroker flywheels or more and there isn't a kawasaki vtwin that would stand a chance. The advantage, is these bikes are so reliable that, they're probably more reliable than a brick. Can't go wrong. I'm going to put a V&H propipe, a new intake, and a good tuner as soon as possible. I hear 85hp and decent torque numbers can be achieved with a good set up on these.
 

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Well perfomance isn't so much a concern of mine, I've had and ridden all the sportbikes I've wanted too. And as far as cruisers my DyNa with the 96 twin cam does 80 in 2nd gear redlined and its stock minus a set of drag pipes, with an intake and a tune I should be golden. I plan to keep the DyNa as a bar hopper but would eventually like a bagger aswell. And yea a if you want a fast cruiser nothing can touch a 1340 sporty. My uncle had a low 10sec sporty on pump gas. Andrews cams, buell heads, I was too young to ride at the time but I DEFF remember the bike. I wouldn't mind buying another sporty as a project but at somepoint I have to stop buying bikes im not jay Leno. It sucks because I want everything! Haha.
 

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I'm not talking about sportsters, I'm talking about the last real Harley... the big twin Evo, the red headed step child... shovelhead guys don't like us, and twinkie riders don't even know what we're on lol. Just don't be disappointed when you jump on one for the first time, because your twinkie with pipes and a decent tune WILL be faster. That being said, maybe it's because my evo doesn't know what it's like to not see the rev limiter or be run over 100mph all the time, but there is no power down low on these 1700 engines stock. It seems like where it makes most of its decent power is up at the top, past 3k RPM and that's where it shines. I don't shift mine until I'm getting close to 4 grand. Short shifting it doesn't get it anywhere.
 

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Shovel guys will argue that's the last real harley. And you don't seem that impressed with your Vaquero? Or maybe im wrong let me ask you this would you buy another one?
 

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Shovel guys will argue that's the last real harley. And you don't seem that impressed with your Vaquero? Or maybe im wrong let me ask you this would you buy another one?
Well, I didn't "buy it", it was a gift, but I did let my dad trade in a real nice bike I had at the time for it as a fathers day present. To answer your question though, yes I would own another. It's comfortable, it will handle well for a fat girl... I mean really well, and they're just really nice bikes, but like most metrics, it is what it is. I can crunch the miles on this bike with little discomfort, where as on my evo, a 742 mile run from my driveway in Tallahassee to my driveway in Houston in one day is rough to say the least, although it gets done.
 

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You sumed it up perfectly metrics are great reliably they just lack soul. Owning a harley you know what im talking about. Nothing beats hd in that department. Metrics are almost boringly reliable
 

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You're right... no soul, just a good reliable tool that will get the job done with no fuss and looks pretty good while doing it. Nothing like cranking up my evo and feel that unbalanced engine shake and come up through the handlebars and the seat like it's alive, listen to that Vthunder cam kick, throwing out that beautiful music that only a single cam harley can make... nothing like it. Still doesn't mean the Vaquero is going anywhere anytime soon though. It's just too good of a bike!
 

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Vettedude,

I would recommend you hold your money and get another HD.

If you've got to talk yourself over this many obstacles; don't waste your time.

I do understand having a bike that feels greater than the sum of its parts.
That's how I feel about my Rocket III right now.
Not because it's shinier or sounds better than anyone elses bike, but because I REALLY enjoy her power (stock I might add) and handling.

But, there still isn't a day that I step into my garage and think my Kaw lacks "soul".

You sound like a guy that's trying to explain to his friends why he wants to sleep with a fat girl.
Man, don't do it.
You'll be unhappy and you'll badmouth a perfectly fine bike because YOU will feel like you settled every time a Kool-aid drinker doesn't show you the respect you think is owed.

If you feel that the bike is missing something because it doesn't "soul"; you you shouldn't get it.

Scott
 

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Scott....
I rode with a guy with a Rocket 3 not long ago. It was quick. It had a loud whine that he said was normal. It was present rolling or stopped. Even at idle. Almost like a turbo whine.
 

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Scott....
I rode with a guy with a Rocket 3 not long ago. It was quick. It had a loud whine that he said was normal. It was present rolling or stopped. Even at idle. Almost like a turbo whine.
Do you know if he's modified the intake?
The PO of my bike had been under the tank; I'm guessing installing the stereo. Part of the intake plumbing had been re-installed incorrectly and had slipped off.
This was causing a bit of induction noise when I first brought my bike home. That sounded a little like a turbo.

I know a lot of guys gut the stock box and replace it with three filters under the bear claw. The bottom is open, so I could see that making some noise.

The R3 does click and tap and grunt until she warms up; then she smooths out and sounds like a P51 on a strafing run. But, I haven't heard anything that sounds like a whine.

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I remember back when I was riding my v2k and saw my first rocket 3... I knew what I had to have. The biggest appeal to me was the mid controls and not forwards, as I hate forwards... bike just looks fast. I hear they handle really well too! One day... one day. So many bikes, so little time, and not enough pennies to rub together.:disapointed:
 

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hd vs. Vaquero???

I've read all these posts concerning the Vaquero vs. the hd,,,,,

I've sold Kawasaki's at the same dealership for the last (16+) years. YES!, Im probably always going to lean towards the Vaquero,,, BUT! one thing I can say for certain,,,, Its the finest bike Kaw has come out with since I've been riding metric's since 1972!

The bottom line is,,,, "If you drink that purple Kool-Aid" and have to have a one of those "Over-priced" bikes,,,,then YOU should do that!! I ride with friends that swear by hd, but constantly piss & moan about: "What they cost, how much is costs to have them worked on, how many days they sit in the dealership service dept., how much they shake and how slow they are, from jump-street!"

I have a 2011 Kawasaki/Vaquero,,,, Its not the quickest, fastest bike in the world for sure! BUT! that is a "turn-key", everytime you hit the start button bike!! Its good looking, has great fit & finish, decent chrome, and generates,,,,,(10) times the interest, whenever its parked next to a hd!! It WILL NOT let you down, if you keep it maintained,,,,PERIOD!!

You may not agree with the above statements, that's your choice! I'd rather have a dependable metric cruiser, then be paying out the ASS for a bike, just to keep my friends happy or THINK I have a quality bike, that seems to like the inside of a service dept., alittle tooooooo much!!

It's "Ride or Wrench",,,, I'll take ride anyday!
 

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Again a lot of great insight here, whatever I decide to do it won't be until my harley is paid off and I have no problem buying metric I do plan on keeping my hd eitherway as it is beautiful fast and reliable. But back to the bagger wars, I called the local victory dealer today who told me their cross country's are discounted from about 21k down to 16k, they actually look more similiar to the vaquero then the road glide does i think. At any rate as far as costs are concerned the vaquero is a steal. I haven't really found any used ones for sale though is it because people love and keep them? I found 1 2011 100 miles away with 18k miles for 8 grand. That's less then I paid for my 08 dyna lowrider with 11k onit. Would you guys recommend looking at a used vaquero or better off spending the 14k for brandnew? My theory is let someone else take the hit but I've never owned anything brandnew in my life lol
 

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I've read all these posts concerning the Vaquero vs. the hd,,,,,

I've sold Kawasaki's at the same dealership for the last (16+) years. YES!, Im probably always going to lean towards the Vaquero,,, BUT! one thing I can say for certain,,,, Its the finest bike Kaw has come out with since I've been riding metric's since 1972!

The bottom line is,,,, "If you drink that purple Kool-Aid" and have to have a one of those "Over-priced" bikes,,,,then YOU should do that!! I ride with friends that swear by hd, but constantly piss & moan about: "What they cost, how much is costs to have them worked on, how many days they sit in the dealership service dept., how much they shake and how slow they are, from jump-street!"

I have a 2011 Kawasaki/Vaquero,,,, Its not the quickest, fastest bike in the world for sure! BUT! that is a "turn-key", everytime you hit the start button bike!! Its good looking, has great fit & finish, decent chrome, and generates,,,,,(10) times the interest, whenever its parked next to a hd!! It WILL NOT let you down, if you keep it maintained,,,,PERIOD!!

You may not agree with the above statements, that's your choice! I'd rather have a dependable metric cruiser, then be paying out the ASS for a bike, just to keep my friends happy or THINK I have a quality bike, that seems to like the inside of a service dept., alittle tooooooo much!!

It's "Ride or Wrench",,,, I'll take ride anyday!
No one I know does that... I built the engine in my bike and do all of the work, and so do the friends that I ride with. Stop hanging out with twinkie riders and start riding with shovelhead and evo guys and you'll get away from the koolaid drinkers. Most Harleys, if maintained properly, should never have to see the inside of a dealership shop period.


Corvetteman, go with the vaquero... you won't be disappointed, trust me.
 
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