Well, after much testing and research I'm considering trying an Ultimate Midrider seat. I got a Mustang seat last week but if I keep it will need to get risers to accommodate the higher and further back position. I actually ordered an Ultimate seat a couple weeks ago and installed it but it felt like I was sitting right up on the tank so I returned it. But, now I think I know why. After switching back and forth between the stock seat and the Mustang several times I see how much the Mustang moves me back compared to the stock seat. I think my initial impression on the Ultimate seat, that it sat me too far forward, was really just that I wasn't use to the back rest. At the time I didn't realize how important the horizontal position was for arm/back/neck comfort. So, even though the Ultimate seat is more expensive (roughly $500 vs $350) the cost of the risers required to use the Mustang seat offsets that difference. The only thing I'm not sure about is the height of the Ultimate seat. They claim you sit in the same position as the stock seat. Can anyone verify this, that the height and distant to the bars is really the same as the stock seat?