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I was a bit shocked and disappointed to learn that Polaris was writing the final chapter for Victory motorcycles this week. Don't get me wrong I love my 09 Vulcan Nomad and have enjoyed it for 7 years and over 60,000 miles now but I will be looking for my next bike in another year or so and I am hoping Kawasaki will have a updated touring cruiser (a Vulcan 1800 if you will) by then but honestly with the demise of another competitor in the market I am not optimistic that will be happening anytime soon. Now that Kawasaki offers the only full sized touring cruiser for under $20,000 it essentially has no peers within it's price range and IMO gives Kawi even less motivation to do some much needed updates/refinements to the 1700 line which is unfortunate cause I will probably be buying my first bike that isn't a Kawasaki if that is the case.
 

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Losing Victory and the pressure that an American motorcycle company put on the market does suck.

But, unless you're talking about full dressers; lots of mfgs have full sized touring cruisers on the market for under $20k.
And some of them are arguably a much better value for the dollar than the Kawi's.

Suzuki has the Boulevard C90T, Yamaha has the V-star 1300 Deluxe (for $15k you get a fairing, blutooth and navigation)

My favorites are from Triumph. The Thunderbird is a twin if that's the kind of powerplant you like and the Rocket III Touring is more comfortable than the Road King and faster than the V-rod.
Both priced under $20k at $17k & $17.5k respectively.

Heck even the boutique brand has the Road King starting at $18,900.
 

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Losing Victory and the pressure that an American motorcycle company put on the market does suck.

But, unless you're talking about full dressers; lots of mfgs have full sized touring cruisers on the market for under $20k.
And some of them are arguably a much better value for the dollar than the Kawi's.

Suzuki has the Boulevard C90T, Yamaha has the V-star 1300 Deluxe (for $15k you get a fairing, blutooth and navigation)

My favorites are from Triumph. The Thunderbird is a twin if that's the kind of powerplant you like and the Rocket III Touring is more comfortable than the Road King and faster than the V-rod.
Both priced under $20k at $17k & $17.5k respectively.

Heck even the boutique brand has the Road King starting at $18,900.
So I went to each mfg's web site on the bikes you listed, and the only one which I really count as a dresser is the Yammy. At $15,500 starting price, it ain't bad, and while it's got nav and a slightly lower price, the Kawi Vaq or Voyager beats it in all other categories. :)

Engine, power, saddlebag size, instrumentation and fairing, all in the Kawi's favor.

Despite its less-refined bits and lack of updates (other than new colors each year), the Kawi is a solid value proposal.

Yes, I'm somewhat biased, since I really like my Vaq.

-John
 

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So I went to each mfg's web site on the bikes you listed, and the only one which I really count as a dresser is the Yammy. At $15,500 starting price, it ain't bad, and while it's got nav and a slightly lower price, the Kawi Vaq or Voyager beats it in all other categories. :)

Engine, power, saddlebag size, instrumentation and fairing, all in the Kawi's favor.

Despite its less-refined bits and lack of updates (other than new colors each year), the Kawi is a solid value proposal.

Yes, I'm somewhat biased, since I really like my Vaq.

-John
The OP was discussing a "full sized touring cruiser for under $20,000". All of the bikes I listed meet that criteria.

I agree; they aren't full dressers; as I DID note in my second sentence.

I also agree with the fact that Kawi's are a good value. But, they haven't done anything to their cruiser line but shrink it in nearly 10 years.

So, either they're going to come out with something updated like matt7even is hoping for or they're going to continue to lose customers looking to buy new cruisers.

I think the only two cruiser lines that have seen growth of sales the last couple of years are Indian & Triumph.
I really hope the Japanese stay in the market because they set the standard for dependability; but it's pretty easy to see that all four of the Japanese brands are putting a LOT more money and design into sport and standard bikes.

Anyway, if Matt was looking for a dresser; they're getting harder & harder to find at any price point.

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I agree. I wish the Yamaha VStar 1300 Deluxe had a frame mounted fairing, fuel gauge along with other instrument gauges and nice stereo. I like the size, seat height and weight of the bike.

So I went to each mfg's web site on the bikes you listed, and the only one which I really count as a dresser is the Yammy. At $15,500 starting price, it ain't bad, and while it's got nav and a slightly lower price, the Kawi Vaq or Voyager beats it in all other categories. :)

Engine, power, saddlebag size, instrumentation and fairing, all in the Kawi's favor.

Despite its less-refined bits and lack of updates (other than new colors each year), the Kawi is a solid value proposal.

Yes, I'm somewhat biased, since I really like my Vaq.

-John
 

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Losing Victory and the pressure that an American motorcycle company put on the market does suck.

But, unless you're talking about full dressers; lots of mfgs have full sized touring cruisers on the market for under $20k.
And some of them are arguably a much better value for the dollar than the Kawi's.

Suzuki has the Boulevard C90T, Yamaha has the V-star 1300 Deluxe (for $15k you get a fairing, blutooth and navigation)

My favorites are from Triumph. The Thunderbird is a twin if that's the kind of powerplant you like and the Rocket III Touring is more comfortable than the Road King and faster than the V-rod.
Both priced under $20k at $17k & $17.5k respectively.

Heck even the boutique brand has the Road King starting at $18,900.
By full sized touring cruiser I was referring to at least bags & fairing with a 1500 cc motor or higher. Sorry I probably should have been more specific.

Yeah I like the Thunderbirds too. Would be great if Triumph did a dresser.
 

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So I went to each mfg's web site on the bikes you listed, and the only one which I really count as a dresser is the Yammy. At $15,500 starting price, it ain't bad, and while it's got nav and a slightly lower price, the Kawi Vaq or Voyager beats it in all other categories. :)

Engine, power, saddlebag size, instrumentation and fairing, all in the Kawi's favor.

Despite its less-refined bits and lack of updates (other than new colors each year), the Kawi is a solid value proposal.

Yes, I'm somewhat biased, since I really like my Vaq.

-John
I'm really hoping that the rumors of a new Yamaha Venture are true. Would be great to have a full dresser with the current V-max engine (re-tuned) or the 1900cc mill they had in the Stratoliners.
 

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The OP was discussing a "full sized touring cruiser for under $20,000". All of the bikes I listed meet that criteria.

I agree; they aren't full dressers; as I DID note in my second sentence.

I also agree with the fact that Kawi's are a good value. But, they haven't done anything to their cruiser line but shrink it in nearly 10 years.

So, either they're going to come out with something updated like matt7even is hoping for or they're going to continue to lose customers looking to buy new cruisers.

I think the only two cruiser lines that have seen growth of sales the last couple of years are Indian & Triumph.
I really hope the Japanese stay in the market because they set the standard for dependability; but it's pretty easy to see that all four of the Japanese brands are putting a LOT more money and design into sport and standard bikes.

Anyway, if Matt was looking for a dresser; they're getting harder & harder to find at any price point.

Scott

Luckily there is still a healthy used market which is most likely what I will end up looking at. Or may find some good deals on some Cross Country Tours the ex Victory dealers may be looking to close out. =)
 

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Polaris owns Victory and Indian, no? One cruiser line had to go.
I like the Voyager. It's priced right. It works. No need to blow $ on "chrome".
 

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By full sized touring cruiser I was referring to at least bags & fairing with a 1500 cc motor or higher. Sorry I probably should have been more specific.

Yeah I like the Thunderbirds too. Would be great if Triumph did a dresser.
Oh! that's my dream.
A full dressed Rocket III. :)

You do seem interested in dressers; but if the Nomad level of touring is still and option; you really should look at the R3T.

I had the Voyager and the R3T for about a year at the same time. It didn't take long for the Rocket to become my wifes favorite for longer trips. There's more room for passenger & rider. Factory upgraded seat is better than anything I ever sat on. Quick release windshield and sissybar with luggage rack makes going from touring mode to sleek power bagger in under a minute. And torque like you wouldn't believe.
They're not for everyone; I understand that. But, everyone should throw a leg over one at least once. :)

P.S. I think manufacturers are getting away from fairings for the SOA crowd; but the aftermarket still makes some very nice options. If you think about the cost as part of a purchase price; a LT with a Corbin fairing isn't a bad value.

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I agree. I wish the Yamaha VStar 1300 Deluxe had a frame mounted fairing, fuel gauge along with other instrument gauges and nice stereo. I like the size, seat height and weight of the bike.
Have you looked at the Vaquero or Voyager? They meet all of the objective requirements, unless you don't like the dimensions you mentioned.

To Scott_in_TX: Oops, been a stressful week, I didn't quite comprehend your post 100%. Sorry.

-John
 

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Have you looked at the Vaquero or Voyager? They meet all of the objective requirements, unless you don't like the dimensions you mentioned.

To Scott_in_TX: Oops, been a stressful week, I didn't quite comprehend your post 100%. Sorry.

-John
No worries.
I really enjoyed my Voyager for the 36k I put on her. I would like to see some updates to the line though.
I think a throwback to the Voyager engines of the past would be ideal. Right smack between the Road glide and the Goldwing like they used to be. Slap a 1600-1800 cc inline 4 with a little more lean angle and I'd trade in my Yammy.

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Oh! that's my dream.
A full dressed Rocket III. :)

You do seem interested in dressers; but if the Nomad level of touring is still and option; you really should look at the R3T.

I had the Voyager and the R3T for about a year at the same time. It didn't take long for the Rocket to become my wifes favorite for longer trips. There's more room for passenger & rider. Factory upgraded seat is better than anything I ever sat on. Quick release windshield and sissybar with luggage rack makes going from touring mode to sleek power bagger in under a minute. And torque like you wouldn't believe.
They're not for everyone; I understand that. But, everyone should throw a leg over one at least once. :)

P.S. I think manufacturers are getting away from fairings for the SOA crowd; but the aftermarket still makes some very nice options. If you think about the cost as part of a purchase price; a LT with a Corbin fairing isn't a bad value.

Scott
I am looking for a full dresser but the Rockets are nice. I wish Triumph had a dealer close to me.
 

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Polaris owns Victory and Indian, no? One cruiser line had to go.
I like the Voyager. It's priced right. It works. No need to blow $ on "chrome".
Yes Polaris owns both brands. While the decision to cut Victory in favor of focusing on their more popular Indian brand makes some logical sense. I am hoping that this doesn't mean the end of Value and Performance oriented full sized American cruisers.

The Voyager is a solid bike and a great value for the $ but I guess I don't want to buy what is essentially the same bike I did 7 years ago.
 

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I have a 2013 Voyager and I like everything about it except the weight. Due to age and health issues I may need to make a change before too long.


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I agree. I wish the Yamaha VStar 1300 Deluxe had a frame mounted fairing, fuel gauge along with other instrument gauges and nice stereo. I like the size, seat height and weight of the bike.

Have you looked at the Vaquero or Voyager? They meet all of the objective requirements, unless you don't like the dimensions you mentioned.

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Oh! that's my dream.
A full dressed Rocket III. :)

You do seem interested in dressers; but if the Nomad level of touring is still and option; you really should look at the R3T.

I had the Voyager and the R3T for about a year at the same time. It didn't take long for the Rocket to become my wifes favorite for longer trips. There's more room for passenger & rider. Factory upgraded seat is better than anything I ever sat on. Quick release windshield and sissybar with luggage rack makes going from touring mode to sleek power bagger in under a minute. And torque like you wouldn't believe.
They're not for everyone; I understand that. But, everyone should throw a leg over one at least once. :)

P.S. I think manufacturers are getting away from fairings for the SOA crowd; but the aftermarket still makes some very nice options. If you think about the cost as part of a purchase price; a LT with a Corbin fairing isn't a bad value.

Scott
I considered a R3 Touring before I got the Voyager, but I couldn't find anyone that makes a (reasonably priced) fairing for it. Several make them for the Roadster, but not for the Touring. A frame mounted fairing on a R3 Tour would be da bomb, if done right! I think I would find a way to afford that!

BTW, did you replace the mapping with the Roadster mapping? From what I have heard, that is like the Ivan update for the 1700s but on steroids!
 

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I considered a R3 Touring before I got the Voyager, but I couldn't find anyone that makes a (reasonably priced) fairing for it. Several make them for the Roadster, but not for the Touring. A frame mounted fairing on a R3 Tour would be da bomb, if done right! I think I would find a way to afford that!

BTW, did you replace the mapping with the Roadster mapping? From what I have heard, that is like the Ivan update for the 1700s but on steroids!
From the factory the R3T is tuned for REALLY low end torque. 90% of peak torque is available at 2,000 RPM. I guess it's meant to make hauling two people and any luggage even MORE of an effortless cruise?

Anyway,
The Touring maps & Roadster maps aren't interchangable; I think they use different ECUs.
But, there is a tuner that developed a map with a better AF ratio, ignition timing, Rev limit & opens the secondaries 100% in the first three gears. Adding about 30+ hp and about 10+ lbs at the rear wheel. Essentially duplicating the power profile of the Roadster.

He released the map for free and you use a free app to install it. The only cost is $20 for a cable.

I never installed the Ivan update; but the de-restricted tune in the R3T turns a beast into a fire breathing dragon! You have to be careful with the throttle in 1st because she will spin and drift sideways on good, dry asphalt with little effort.

The Voyager is a LOTof bike for the money. But, so it the R3T; just in different ways.

Scott
 

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From the factory the R3T is tuned for REALLY low end torque. 90% of peak torque is available at 2,000 RPM. I guess it's meant to make hauling two people and any luggage even MORE of an effortless cruise?

Anyway,
The Touring maps & Roadster maps aren't interchangable; I think they use different ECUs.
But, there is a tuner that developed a map with a better AF ratio, ignition timing, Rev limit & opens the secondaries 100% in the first three gears. Adding about 30+ hp and about 10+ lbs at the rear wheel. Essentially duplicating the power profile of the Roadster.

He released the map for free and you use a free app to install it. The only cost is $20 for a cable.

I never installed the Ivan update; but the de-restricted tune in the R3T turns a beast into a fire breathing dragon! You have to be careful with the throttle in 1st because she will spin and drift sideways on good, dry asphalt with little effort.

The Voyager is a LOTof bike for the money. But, so it the R3T; just in different ways.

Scott
When I was looking at the R3T, I saw a lot of posts on Triumph forums about installing the R3R map on the R3T. That's why I asked. Maybe they really meant the map you referenced. Anyway, if the stock map gives more low range torque, I would probably not change it anyway since I would want to pull a trailer. I don't need all that power available, either. I would just get into trouble! I was just curious.
 

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Hi guys, I am a former Nomad owner. I traded my 2010 last fall for a R3T. The Triumph takes me back to my Valkyrie days. I got a new in the box 2015 for $13800 minus my trade. I hear what you're saying about a fairing. I'm gonna swap for a Clearview shield for more protection. Other than highway pegs, that's it. Build quality is awesome. Very little plastic. This thing could climb a tree in fifth gear! I have no interest in attempting to match the power of the Roadster.
I am so looking forward to spring!!
The Nomad was a fine machine, but the Rocket is so much more.
Take care, Eric
 
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