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Be warned!!! don't deal directly with Scootworks. I got stories, lies and excuses, but did finally get the pulleys after 7 weeks (or was it 8?). If I hadn't emailed them daily when I heard nothing for too long, I don't know how much time it would have taken. They bill your credit card immediately after taking the order, even before they make them, which is just plain wrong.

The front pulley was perfect, but the rear pulley had some roughness on the inside edge where the belt runs, which was easily cleaned up with a file and about 10 minutes. I wasn't about to send it back if I could fix it.

What Kawasaki did was create a beautiful bike well under $10K that is geared too low. I have read people who disagree, and I know you won't hurt it winding it up, but riding for nearly 50 years, trust me, its geared too low. Cruisers are supposed to be relaxed, but it sure wasn't.

Now the good news... these pulleys (both of them) is what Kawasaki should have done from the factory. Acceleration is still excellent, but it has to be a little slower. After ordering I became concerned that changing both pulleys would be too much, but not so. First gear is between where first and second used to be which is great. Before... at 60 MPH indicated I was actually traveling 54 MPH according to Garmin... now at 60 indicated I am actually going 64 to 65 MPH. So at the same RPM I picked about 10 MPH. When riding secondary roads, running an actual 55 to 60 MPH the bike is just purring! The faster you normally run the easier it will be compared to the way they are stock. Bite the bullet and spring for both pulleys! You'll love 'em.
 

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....these pulleys (both of them) is what Kawasaki should have done from the factory.
not to make you mad, but i disagree. i think the stock pulleys are actually quite good. but then again, i dont ride at 80-90 mph anyway. plus, those pulleys are WAY too expensive. think about this, you can get sprockets in any size you want for 20-40 dollars. there isnt that much more metal on these pulleys. and it sure isnt any harder for these companys to make them. the CNC machine does all the work anyway.
 

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Rear pulley only & 200 tire

What I did on my '09 Custom was go with the Rear pulley and a Metzler 200 tire. Dropped the engine revs down very comfortably, moves the rear tire back so it's pretty much centered in the rear fender, and spreads out the shift points so the shifting feels smoother. I realize the rear pulley costs more but I figure as much as I like the bike I'm going to have it for a long time so this kind of spreads out the cost factor. I was concerned about losing some bottom end pickup with this setup but I don't really notice any loss. I'm a little beyond the stage of doing "hole shots" at traffic lights anyway. I've had quite a few bikes over the last 50 or so years and although no one bike is absolutely perfect the Kaw comes as close as anything I've owned as far as fitting my riding needs. RIDE SAFE
 

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yeah, i agree with the 200 rear tire thing. i am gonna do that myself when i need a new tire, but mainly so my speedo will be closer to accurate. the speedo being off doesnt bother me a great deal, but i would like it to be closer to right, and i dont see the point in a speedo healer when i shouldnt have to. know what i mean. plus, 200 tires do look pretty good. this will actually be the first bike i have had with that big of a rear tire. whats funny is, alot of people dont consider that a big tire now days. i grew up with most bikes having a 130 or 140, so a 200 is big to me.
 

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Hi Bob(Kay),
My scoot has about 75% tire left, so I didn't want to replace it... and I imagine a tire costs nearly as much as a front SW pulley, although when they wear out it will only be Metzlers for me. I also read that the 200 tire should be on a wider rim, but know from so many doing this it works. Not sure how it wears (?). Usually when I see someone only going to one pulley and 200 tire, they spring for the less expensive front one. Although, the back does have a little bit more o-drive than the front, if only marginal. I have read that the front gives you about 6% and the back gives about 6.6%. Wonder the effect of doing both pulleys plus the 200 Metzler. Do you think the engine could pull it? I bet it can. For not a penny more, Kawasaki could "upgrade" to the same tooth count as either SW pulleys (front or rear... pick one) and bump 5th gear up about 6% taller to the fix problem. Have you noticed the RPM drop (by ear) from 4th to 5th is less than say, 3rd to 4th? No matter where you read about a test of the 900, testers nearly always mention that it is geared too low. If I were buying a new bike in this class and knew the 900 was going to cost an additional $540 to be re-engineering, I would buy a Yammyhammer 950 without a doubt. I like the bike before, but love it now. Kawasaki.... HELLO! Keep the dirty side down!!
 

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if you did both pulleys and the tire, it would actually kill your MPG and performance. it would be worse, not better. your engine would be lugging too much. it would definately lower your RPMs, but it wouldnt gain you anything.
 

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Kawboy,
Love the handle! I respect your disagreement... many feel the same way you do. But, many more would disagree... including most testers in many MC magazine tests or comparisons. I disagree with what $40 will buy... a sprocket maybe but a $40 pulley won't be trusted by me. I will still agree they are pretty expensive. The fastest I have been on it was 75MPH and only for a few seconds and would only ever ride 70MPH when that's the speed limit and late for something. My bike sounded comfortable up to 55MPH... so, I ride like an old fart, too. When my bike was (before the change) at 65MPH it sounded like any other cruiser I have ever owned going 90MPH, IMO. I suppose if SW didn't make the pulleys I would have either just bought better ear plugs and put up with it, or maybe would have sold it. I like everything else about the bike. So, for me the pulleys were cheaper than getting another bike.
 

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i didnt mean you could get a pulley for $40, i was just saying a sprocket for a chain driven bike will about that much or less, so i dont see why the belt drive pulleys are so much. like i said, the machine does all the work cutting it anyway. i just think its a shame when these companies like scootworks are trying to gouge people with their prices. if another company would start making these pulleys, the price would probably drop to half what they are now because of the companies trying to beat each others prices.
 

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I've run my 900 several thousand miles with both the Scoot rear pulley and a Pirelli Night Dragon 200 tire. I can't say whether or not low end performance has changed. It seems pretty much the same to me now as it was with the stock equipment. But, I changed the rear tire first, rode a couple thousand and then changed the pulley, so my impressions aren't "fresh". I do agree with you, that the bike is geared too low from the factory, for anyone that does a significant amount of riding at freeway speeds.

For me, that tire/pulley combo is just the ticket and I am MUCH happier riding the 9 now, than I was when I initially got it. Low end performance is fine for me and I really like the lower RPMs at freeway speeds. I estimate that the engine is turning at about 4k at 75mph.

Dunno what to say about your issue with Scootworks. I got my pulley from Meancycle, but I've made several purchases of other equipment from Scootworks, without having any of the issues that you describe. I certainly wouldn't hesitate to do business with them again in the future.

I also agree that these pulleys seem to be much too expensive. I've seen pulleys from makers other than Scoot, that are priced about the same. But, apparently the market will bear the price.
 

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Hi Bob(Kay),
My scoot has about 75% tire left, so I didn't want to replace it... and I imagine a tire costs nearly as much as a front SW pulley, although when they wear out it will only be Metzlers for me. I also read that the 200 tire should be on a wider rim, but know from so many doing this it works. Not sure how it wears (?). Usually when I see someone only going to one pulley and 200 tire, they spring for the less expensive front one. Although, the back does have a little bit more o-drive than the front, if only marginal. I have read that the front gives you about 6% and the back gives about 6.6%. Wonder the effect of doing both pulleys plus the 200 Metzler. Do you think the engine could pull it? I bet it can. For not a penny more, Kawasaki could "upgrade" to the same tooth count as either SW pulleys (front or rear... pick one) and bump 5th gear up about 6% taller to the fix problem. Have you noticed the RPM drop (by ear) from 4th to 5th is less than say, 3rd to 4th? No matter where you read about a test of the 900, testers nearly always mention that it is geared too low. If I were buying a new bike in this class and knew the 900 was going to cost an additional $540 to be re-engineering, I would buy a Yammyhammer 950 without a doubt. I like the bike before, but love it now. Kawasaki.... HELLO! Keep the dirty side down!!
The front pulley being larger will pull the rear tire further forward than the stock pulley. If you combine this with a 200 tire you will most likely not only run into fender clearance problems but the tire will also not sit nicely in the center portion of the rear fender as viewed from the side. The 200 tire fits perfectly on the stock rim. I haven't heard of anyone having problems with this or having to change the rim. From most reports i've read as well as my own experience with this setup the 200 tire doesn't cause any handling problems and actually I think mine rides a whole lot better with it. The Metzler at about 4000 miles looks pretty much wear wise as the day we installed it. I do a fair amount of 2-up riding and haven't run into any clearance problems. I guess the guys with the Pirelli and Avons are doing well too. RIDE SAFE
 

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excellent thread. I thought my speedo was off..... I will have to keep this in mind for when I need new tires.

I'm too cheap to just replace a tire that only has 2k miles on it... lol.
 

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rear pulley

I installed the rear pulley on my 07. I did not have the tools or the ability to install the front pulley, so the rear pully was actually cheaper when accounting for the fact I would have to pay for the one but could actually do the other myself. I checked my speedometer and it is now spot on, after the change.
Be warned!!! don't deal directly with Scootworks. I got stories, lies and excuses, but did finally get the pulleys after 7 weeks (or was it 8?). If I hadn't emailed them daily when I heard nothing for too long, I don't know how much time it would have taken. They bill your credit card immediately after taking the order, even before they make them, which is just plain wrong.

The front pulley was perfect, but the rear pulley had some roughness on the inside edge where the belt runs, which was easily cleaned up with a file and about 10 minutes. I wasn't about to send it back if I could fix it.

What Kawasaki did was create a beautiful bike well under $10K that is geared too low. I have read people who disagree, and I know you won't hurt it winding it up, but riding for nearly 50 years, trust me, its geared too low. Cruisers are supposed to be relaxed, but it sure wasn't.

Now the good news... these pulleys (both of them) is what Kawasaki should have done from the factory. Acceleration is still excellent, but it has to be a little slower. After ordering I became concerned that changing both pulleys would be too much, but not so. First gear is between where first and second used to be which is great. Before... at 60 MPH indicated I was actually traveling 54 MPH according to Garmin... now at 60 indicated I am actually going 64 to 65 MPH. So at the same RPM I picked about 10 MPH. When riding secondary roads, running an actual 55 to 60 MPH the bike is just purring! The faster you normally run the easier it will be compared to the way they are stock. Bite the bullet and spring for both pulleys! You'll love 'em.
 

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BonJj,
That was my feeling about replacing a good tire, and frankly I couldn't stand the wound tight feeling of the bike any longer. The pulley and tire debate and data is well documented on this and Kawasaki forum, but I can boil it down. The speedo is about 5 to 6 miles per hour fast at 60.... meaning you are really only running 54/55. This is something like 8% +/- off. Changing the tire to one of the larger diameter (200/70-15 or the 170/80-15) gives you about 6% higher... so the speedo will be close to right. Most will not go to the narrower 170 (not macho) but it makes pretty good sense to use that size. Rim width is a factor. Doing it over, I would probably replace the front pulley then wait until the tire wears out... go to one of the larger diameter 15" tires... this is the least expensive way to gear it up. I prefer Metzler 880s, but you pick. Scootworks front pulley ($190), but use a retailer like Meancycle to get it from. sage1965 mentioned he changed the rear because it would require hiring the front one to be changed. I have the tools and found the front to be easier than the back to replace. If you decide to change either pulley let me know and I am glad to help with advice.
 

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BonJj,
That was my feeling about replacing a good tire, and frankly I couldn't stand the wound tight feeling of the bike any longer. The pulley and tire debate and data is well documented on this and Kawasaki forum, but I can boil it down. The speedo is about 5 to 6 miles per hour fast at 60.... meaning you are really only running 54/55. This is something like 8% +/- off. Changing the tire to one of the larger diameter (200/70-15 or the 170/80-15) gives you about 6% higher... so the speedo will be close to right. Most will not go to the narrower 170 (not macho) but it makes pretty good sense to use that size. Rim width is a factor. Doing it over, I would probably replace the front pulley then wait until the tire wears out... go to one of the larger diameter 15" tires... this is the least expensive way to gear it up. I prefer Metzler 880s, but you pick. Scootworks front pulley ($190), but use a retailer like Meancycle to get it from. sage1965 mentioned he changed the rear because it would require hiring the front one to be changed. I have the tools and found the front to be easier than the back to replace. If you decide to change either pulley let me know and I am glad to help with advice.
Thanks for the info. I'll just have to burn off the back tire... that way it will be sooner.... lol. I was screwing around the other day while riding with a friend and I was burning up the rear on the grass and when I pulled forward the ground was hot enough that the dirt was steaming. I got a good laugh out of it.... Cleaning the first from inside the fender was a pain in the butt though.

I have no idea as to where hillard is but I'm near fort myers.
 

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I had the front pulley from scootworks and it was great except for the belt noise and the metal being to soft. Called up Scootworks and they said send it back and they will replace. I thought this is a company I can do business with. Except it tooks over two months and I don't know how many phone calls. They don't have an 800 number, no way to leave a message and it is a crap shoot as to when and if Dave will pick up the phone. Took a credit for the front pulley against new rear pulley. Have yet to install the rear. It is snowing. I think Scootworks needs an Administative Manager.
 

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I had the front pulley from scootworks and it was great except for the belt noise and the metal being to soft. Called up Scootworks and they said send it back and they will replace. I thought this is a company I can do business with. Except it tooks over two months and I don't know how many phone calls. They don't have an 800 number, no way to leave a message and it is a crap shoot as to when and if Dave will pick up the phone. Took a credit for the front pulley against new rear pulley. Have yet to install the rear. It is snowing. I think Scootworks needs an Administative Manager.
I own a 1500 classic so I don't have any experience with the pulleys, but I do have experience with Scootworks as I live about 45 minutes from them and went in personally to buy phat II risers. They are basically a one man show at this point because they took a hard hit from the economy tanking. I was not all that impressed with the service or the risers as the bolt broke when I was installing it. Ended up going to Lowes for a replacement. I am just glad that it didn't break when I was riding it. I thought about complaining but after reading several things on here I decided that it was a waste of my time.
 

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I had the front pulley from scootworks and it was great except for the belt noise and the metal being to soft. Called up Scootworks and they said send it back and they will replace. I thought this is a company I can do business with. Except it tooks over two months and I don't know how many phone calls. They don't have an 800 number, no way to leave a message and it is a crap shoot as to when and if Dave will pick up the phone. Took a credit for the front pulley against new rear pulley. Have yet to install the rear. It is snowing. I think Scootworks needs an Administative Manager.
Consider yourself lucky. It took 8 damn months for my replacement. Talked to Dave that long. Finally the receptionist answered the phone.

Her: "What is this concerning?"
Me: "The front pulley I'm exchanging, been waiting a while for it."
Her: "How long have you been waiting?"
Me: "Eight months."
Her: "Oh my god, it will be in the mail today"

I got it 4 days later.

Dave is a nice guy, but come on. He kept telling me it was the shipping departments fault and he would personally see to it.

Kinda messed up!
 

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Sealpt, wow! I will stop complaining since mine only took 8 weeks. I should be bragging about them.

I might have my numbers wrong, but I think they went from 22 people down to 5 including the 'one man show' named Dave. Or, could all 5 be Dave... dunno? I think they made a lot of parts for a chopper line that went belly up, so the drop in business required laying people off. I can understand this since I was laid off 3 times in as many years. But, what I can't get is why they don't know or don't care that it is NOT good business practice to charge your card until the part actually exists and ships. If in stock they (Dave) ship it... but if not they have to make it (Dave). If they (Dave) said, it is going to take 10 weeks and when we ship we will bill your card, is that OK? To which you probably say yes (Dave). I would. Then if they then bill your card and you get it in 10 weeks... we won't be having all this fun talking about them (OK.. stop with the Dave already!!). But, why all the stories and excuses. The only reason they have (had) my business is that, as far as I know, they are the only company that makes the pulleys we know and love... sure the demand is relatively low... hence the high price. After 7 and a half weeks I told them to refund the money and stop the order... I had it in 4 days. Do they really make these parts, or do they get them from the far east? Or, is Dave really the guy we see in the same room as "Peggy" somewhere in Russia in the commercial?
 

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Sealpt, wow! I will stop complaining since mine only took 8 weeks. I should be bragging about them.

I might have my numbers wrong, but I think they went from 22 people down to 5 including the 'one man show' named Dave. Or, could all 5 be Dave... dunno? I think they made a lot of parts for a chopper line that went belly up, so the drop in business required laying people off. I can understand this since I was laid off 3 times in as many years. But, what I can't get is why they don't know or don't care that it is NOT good business practice to charge your card until the part actually exists and ships. If in stock they (Dave) ship it... but if not they have to make it (Dave). If they (Dave) said, it is going to take 10 weeks and when we ship we will bill your card, is that OK? To which you probably say yes (Dave). I would. Then if they then bill your card and you get it in 10 weeks... we won't be having all this fun talking about them (OK.. stop with the Dave already!!). But, why all the stories and excuses. The only reason they have (had) my business is that, as far as I know, they are the only company that makes the pulleys we know and love... sure the demand is relatively low... hence the high price. After 7 and a half weeks I told them to refund the money and stop the order... I had it in 4 days. Do they really make these parts, or do they get them from the far east? Or, is Dave really the guy we see in the same room as "Peggy" somewhere in Russia in the commercial?
I laughed out loud about "Peggy". That is a riot.

The thing was, Dave was so nice about and sincere that I really didn't worry about the part for some reason. I would just call every month or so. He would tell me almost every time that the part would be made in the next batch in like two weeks, and that I'm at the top of the list. It was pretty crazy really.

The thing was that I never really got angry. I'm still not angry actually. I bought the original scootworks pulley from like hellrisers or something and it turned out it was a prototype so Dave was actually doing me a favor, which I'm still thankful for. He could have told me to forget it and buy a new one from him, but he didn't do that. He told me to send him the old one and he would ship the new one to me.

I do have to say that if you have that scootworks pulley, and get used to the low rpm's. It is really tough going back to the original high rpm pulley. It kinda drives you insane. You know what the bike can be with the scootworks pulley, but now you have this whiny bike again that you constantly try to shift into a non-existent 6th gear.

That's the way I see it anyway.
 

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I felt the same way when I talked to Peg.... err, Dave. What those pulleys did for the 900 is kind of like what peanut butter does with chocolate... technically speaking!
 
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