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I read in many threats that the maximum load for Vaquero is 397lbs. Is the same on the Voyager? I finally got the money and next month I will go to the dealer and order my bike (second hand). But my only concern is the maximum load.

My weight is 220lb, wife 180lb and we usually carry in the bags 90lbs. I already contact progressive shock and they told me that they don't have something for some much load.

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For your bike we only offer the one spring rate and that will be closer to our standard than the heavy duty spring. The shock should not bottom out till about 350pounds but I think that shock may be a bit too soft for the weight you are loading your bike down


If the voyager's shock are stronger I will go with that ( I like vaquero better). if are the same
Is there any aftermarket shock that will be strong enough? or the oem shock will hold this and not bottom out.


Thanking you in advance for all the help.
 

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You won't bottom out with the OEM shocks, and they're the same shocks on either bike. There's a rebound adjustment, and you add air using a lossless pump depending on load.

They're still low end low performance shocks though, and replacement will provide a significantly better ride. Most who replace using Progressive go with the heavy duty version of whichever model they buy. Works Performance Steel Trackers is another option used on 1700's, and I've had Öhlins shocks installed on my Voyager. Huge improvement, and no fiddling with air or rebound.
 

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Peg thank you for your help. Can you give me the Ohlins shock part number you have? I think the Voyager and Vaquero have different shocks (same strength but different part number. I think) , but I will try to contact them. Thanks again for the help.
 

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I got another email from progressive shocks and they confirm that they don't have heavy duty shock for vaquero. Is anyone here that have the heavy duty shock?

I already sent email to ohlin and workperformance. Waiting for the response.

Chad Becker <[email protected]>
Fri 4/26/2019 3:53 PM
You


Hello,

That shock will hold up to what the capacity of the bike will hold set by Kawasaki.

You will have to refer to your manual, or Kawai dealer, but I think you are over the limit of what that bike will hold.

Thank you,

Chad Becker
Customer Service / Warranty Tech
13861 Rosecrans Ave.Santa Fe Springs, CA.. 90670
(714)523-8700 ex216 fax(562)802-0110
[email protected]
www.progressivesuspension.com
 

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You won't bottom out with the OEM shocks, and they're the same shocks on either bike. There's a rebound adjustment, and you add air using a lossless pump depending on load.

They're still low end low performance shocks though, and replacement will provide a significantly better ride. Most who replace using Progressive go with the heavy duty version of whichever model they buy. Works Performance Steel Trackers is another option used on 1700's, and I've had Öhlins shocks installed on my Voyager. Huge improvement, and no fiddling with air or rebound.
Peg I did some search in the forum and I could see that the model you have is the HD146 STX 36. is that model for Kawasaki or Harley? I search in the internet but couldn't find for Kawasaki?
 

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The HD146 is Öhlins' entry level shock for Harley Sportster. I didn't choose or install it myself - except for selecting the cheapest option provided to me by a very highly regarded local bike suspension specialist. Riders from all over NZ send their bikes to him to sort their suspension out, and after attempting & only slightly improving the OEM shocks myself... I found it was money very well spent.

Professionally fitted like that, I'm confident they're bushed and shimmed out correctly. They're not designed from the outset for the Voyager, but I trust the owner of the business to get it right.

He assembles each pair of shocks himself from a variety of Öhlins parts, selected to suit the bike they're being built for. So I couldn't even guarantee that the internals are what you'll find in that model shock off the shelf. If you bought and fitted that model shock yourself, your experience might not be the same as mine.

So my advice would be to buy the bike you want, and then if you don't find the OEM shocks to your liking - either find a shop that knows what they're doing to sort it out for you, or fit aftermarket shocks yourself to save a little money. Having a shop do it, like I did, certainly wasn't cheap, but it provided a little peace of mind knowing that I could take it back for fine-tuning until I was happy.
 

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The HD146 is Öhlins' entry level shock for Harley Sportster. I didn't choose or install it myself - except for selecting the cheapest option provided to me by a very highly regarded local bike suspension specialist. Riders from all over NZ send their bikes to him to sort their suspension out, and after attempting & only slightly improving the OEM shocks myself... I found it was money very well spent.

Professionally fitted like that, I'm confident they're bushed and shimmed out correctly. They're not designed from the outset for the Voyager, but I trust the owner of the business to get it right.

He assembles each pair of shocks himself from a variety of Öhlins parts, selected to suit the bike they're being built for. So I couldn't even guarantee that the internals are what you'll find in that model shock off the shelf. If you bought and fitted that model shock yourself, your experience might not be the same as mine.

So my advice would be to buy the bike you want, and then if you don't find the OEM shocks to your liking - either find a shop that knows what they're doing to sort it out for you, or fit aftermarket shocks yourself to save a little money. Having a shop do it, like I did, certainly wasn't cheap, but it provided a little peace of mind knowing that I could take it back for fine-tuning until I was happy.
Thank you for the help.
 

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Panayiotis if you find a shock that works please let us all know what you found. If you order the Ohlins shock and send them back please let us know why, what was wrong. I also was very interested in the Ohlins shock from information i received from Peg and hit a wall where no one can even tell me what size the bolt holes were on the shocks or the maximum weight of that shock so i'm on hold for now. I did how ever order shocks from Racetech because their web site actually says they will make a shock for the Voyager. They can't. After about 13 weeks and sending the shocks back to be reworked 3 times they threw in the towel and refunded me back my money. That was last year and they still have advertisement on their site for the Voyager! I should add that Peg was a great help in this area and has me headed in the correct direction if only the US dealers know a little more about the products they sell.
In case you haven't researched the Ohlins completely yet this is what i found. That shock is for a 1200 sportsteer that is less weight than the voyager and can be ordered with 3 different spring options. The heaviest spring will hold over 220 lb of rider weight and then you turn the preload adjuster one turn for every 25 lbs of passenger weight so maybe it will work but that's an expensive maybe. What i would really like to know is if the shop that fitted Peg's shocks actually opened up the shock and changed the internals. Keep us posted.
 

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Mike07-16 as soon as I find something I will post it. I email to some other companies also and I am waiting for their answer.
 

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Anyone knows if the shocks from Vulcan 1600 or mean streak 1500 can be install on vaquero/voyager with some modification?
Hagon shocks are building shocks for those models. I order from them a few years ago for my roadstar and I was very pleased with it. I send them my weight and wife's plus luggage and build one for me. I had the bike for 4 years and the new owner is very happy with it also.
 

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Here’s my mods to a 2011 Voyager:
Ohlins HD 146 rear shocks with Racetech 4825040R springs. 47.8mm diameter, 254mm long, 4kg/mm spring spec. About 25mm preload.
Shock has same stock eyelet mount size, no shims required. The mount end is a little narrower than stock. I added one washer.
Racetech front springs 1.1 kg/mm. Racetech spring selector will indicate preload. Stock is 35mm

Kawasaki manual says 3.2” rear wheel travel. Stock shock sag with just bike is about 3/8” @ 30 psi air. With rider and gear 1”. Sag with Ohlins shock about the same.
Manual says about 390 lb front, 500 lb rear . Each fork or shock carries 1/2 fr-rr respective load.

I found the stock suspension soft in front, too much dive on braking. The replacement springs are constant rate to calculate rate needed for preferred sag with preload. You can’t go wrong choosing near the stiffest springs from Racetech. These bikes are heavy.

Peg observation correct, that Ohlins shock much better than stock. Wife and I ride loaded to near but under GVWR.
 

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Here’s my mods to a 2011 Voyager:
Ohlins HD 146 rear shocks with Racetech 4825040R springs. 47.8mm diameter, 254mm long, 4kg/mm spring spec. About 25mm preload.
Shock has same stock eyelet mount size, no shims required. The mount end is a little narrower than stock. I added one washer.
Racetech front springs 1.1 kg/mm. Racetech spring selector will indicate preload. Stock is 35mm

Kawasaki manual says 3.2” rear wheel travel. Stock shock sag with just bike is about 3/8” @ 30 psi air. With rider and gear 1”. Sag with Ohlins shock about the same.
Manual says about 390 lb front, 500 lb rear . Each fork or shock carries 1/2 fr-rr respective load.

I found the stock suspension soft in front, too much dive on braking. The replacement springs are constant rate to calculate rate needed for preferred sag with preload. You can’t go wrong choosing near the stiffest springs from Racetech. These bikes are heavy.

Peg observation correct, that Ohlins shock much better than stock. Wife and I ride loaded to near but under GVWR.
So if I buy the ohlins it will be easy to do it. And for front Racetech spring.
This is the one?
https://www.solomotoparts.com/Ohlins-STX-36-Twin-Shock-XL-Sportster-04-18-HD146/
Or I have to ask for the heavy duty?

I also find this
https://www.progressivesuspension.com/product/1420/430-series-shocks

Thanks for the help
 

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The Ohlins HD146 (for the Harley Davidson Sportster) will bolt onto the Voyager. The spring needs to be replaced with the Racetech spring mentioned in prior response. It's a direct replacement. You can do this easily. Ohlins ships a spring adjustment tool with the shocks. See pic. I didn't ask for a blue spring, but you can get other colours for $$.

The best i can suggest is calling Racetech directly to explain what you want. (stiffest fork spring, and stiffest shock spring to fit the HD146).

I ended up spending about $1100 Cdn.
 

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The Ohlins HD146 (for the Harley Davidson Sportster) will bolt onto the Voyager. The spring needs to be replaced with the Racetech spring mentioned in prior response. It's a direct replacement. You can do this easily. Ohlins ships a spring adjustment tool with the shocks. See pic. I didn't ask for a blue spring, but you can get other colours for $$.

The best i can suggest is calling Racetech directly to explain what you want. (stiffest fork spring, and stiffest shock spring to fit the HD146).

I ended up spending about $1100 Cdn.
If I understand correct. I will buy the shock from ohlins and then replace the spring with a Racetech stiffer spring?
 

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Yes. Otherwise perhaps a Euro Ohlins dealer can get the proper spring for that shock for your bike.
The sportster springs are so light I attached them to an IKEA chair to stiffen it up. A lot less sag now.
 

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"You can’t go wrong choosing near the stiffest springs from Racetech."

KawMan, just curious, then why didn't you select the springs listed in their chart right below the ones you've mentioned?: SRSP 4825045R 47.8x254 4.5kg 47.8 254 4.5 36.3 252.0

BTW, thank you very much for the detailed info too. Between what you've recommended and the front springs/emulators....$$$$$$

But I did the same thing on my KLR650, Cogent Dynamics front and back $850.00, completely transformed that bike. Hoping spending another grand on the 1700 will do the same.

Edit: just realized my pic is old. I have a '13 Vaquero with Chucksters BAK, Ivanized, Corbin seat, Vance and Hines slip-ons, Don Myers 11" mini apes with L.A. Choppers 5 1/2" risers. So already into it pretty heavy $$$
 

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Oh man, guess I do things the hard way.
Peg had recommended the Ohlins in an earlier thread.
Not knowing any suspension “experts” in S. Ab, I chose to order online from Cdn vendor.
The Ohlins stock springs for that model shock were just too soft (sportster vs Voyager).
I measured the damper body and spring length, and then matched that up on Racetech site. Doing some math to spitball the required spring rate. Measured front- rear wheel weight distribution at a free roadside truck weigh station.
It took awhile to get everything together. Luckily it worked great. Might even be some weight savings as those stock Kawasaki shocks are built like a tank.
Hope you find something that works for you.
 
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