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A lot of 1700 owners have reported issues with the cruise control related to the switches; especially the rear brake switch. A few of us have also had clutch switch issues. I won the lottery and after a trip out east and hitting some rain, all three failed. Front brake, rear brake, and clutch. One was replaced and the other two cleaned out by the dealer. However, in my case, I also lost my brake light. The switches didn't just prevent cruise control from working, but they prevented the brake light from illuminating.

I know several folks around here have reported similar issues on their 1700, especially the Vaquero. If that's you, don't forget to file a complaint with NHTSA (U.S. owners) or your countries equivalent. The link is below:

https://www-odi.nhtsa.dot.gov/VehicleComplaint/

Similar responses (finally) got the worn-ignition wire issue recalled, and Kawasaki engineers swiftly developed a fix. Note that most manufacturers will NOT issue a recall unless there's first an investigation by the NHTSA (or NHTSA forces a recall). So contacting Kawasaki is not likely to offer resolution. If you've experienced the issue, even if it was years ago or you no longer own the bike, fire off a report to NHTSA. If there are a handful of reports with the same issue, it's more likely that they'll investigate.

To ME (non-engineer, non-mechanic), it seems the issue is that the switches are not sealed; so rain and gunk can easily get into them. Even though cleaning them out isn't hard (I had to have one completely replaced), it's a safety issue. Going down the highway and losing your brake lights in the rain is NOT a good thing. Hopefully, this can result in a course of action that results in new switches.

I THINK the way this website works is, after a couple of days, my "complaint" should show up on NHTSA's website when you search for the 1700 Vaquero (currently, the only thing that shows up is the ignition recall, and nothing under the 'complaint' tab). I think when that appears, there will also be a way to note under the complaint that you experienced the same, or similar, issue. In my mind, even if you only experienced the cruise control issue; it still needs to be reported. The switches use a shared housing and the brake light switch can fail just as easily as the cruise control switch. The scary thing is, you're probably less likely to realize the brake light switch has failed.
 

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A lot of 1700 owners have reported issues with the cruise control related to the switches; especially the rear brake switch. A few of us have also had clutch switch issues. I won the lottery and after a trip out east and hitting some rain, all three failed. Front brake, rear brake, and clutch. One was replaced and the other two cleaned out by the dealer. However, in my case, I also lost my brake light. The switches didn't just prevent cruise control from working, but they prevented the brake light from illuminating.

I know several folks around here have reported similar issues on their 1700, especially the Vaquero. If that's you, don't forget to file a complaint with NHTSA (U.S. owners) or your countries equivalent. The link is below:

https://www-odi.nhtsa.dot.gov/VehicleComplaint/

Similar responses (finally) got the worn-ignition wire issue recalled, and Kawasaki engineers swiftly developed a fix. Note that most manufacturers will NOT issue a recall unless there's first an investigation by the NHTSA (or NHTSA forces a recall). So contacting Kawasaki is not likely to offer resolution. If you've experienced the issue, even if it was years ago or you no longer own the bike, fire off a report to NHTSA. If there are a handful of reports with the same issue, it's more likely that they'll investigate.

To ME (non-engineer, non-mechanic), it seems the issue is that the switches are not sealed; so rain and gunk can easily get into them. Even though cleaning them out isn't hard (I had to have one completely replaced), it's a safety issue. Going down the highway and losing your brake lights in the rain is NOT a good thing. Hopefully, this can result in a course of action that results in new switches.

I THINK the way this website works is, after a couple of days, my "complaint" should show up on NHTSA's website when you search for the 1700 Vaquero (currently, the only thing that shows up is the ignition recall, and nothing under the 'complaint' tab). I think when that appears, there will also be a way to note under the complaint that you experienced the same, or similar, issue. In my mind, even if you only experienced the cruise control issue; it still needs to be reported. The switches use a shared housing and the brake light switch can fail just as easily as the cruise control switch. The scary thing is, you're probably less likely to realize the brake light switch has failed.
Good to know Romans,Haven't had any issues w my nomad but wiil keep an eye on it,:nerd:
 

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If these forums are any indication; the problem is most common on the Vaquero. But I figured if any Voyager or Nomad owners had experienced it, they should report it too!
 

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A lot of 1700 owners have reported issues with the cruise control related to the switches; especially the rear brake switch. A few of us have also had clutch switch issues. I won the lottery and after a trip out east and hitting some rain, all three failed. Front brake, rear brake, and clutch. One was replaced and the other two cleaned out by the dealer. However, in my case, I also lost my brake light. The switches didn't just prevent cruise control from working, but they prevented the brake light from illuminating.

I know several folks around here have reported similar issues on their 1700, especially the Vaquero. If that's you, don't forget to file a complaint with NHTSA (U.S. owners) or your countries equivalent. The link is below:

https://www-odi.nhtsa.dot.gov/VehicleComplaint/

Similar responses (finally) got the worn-ignition wire issue recalled, and Kawasaki engineers swiftly developed a fix. Note that most manufacturers will NOT issue a recall unless there's first an investigation by the NHTSA (or NHTSA forces a recall). So contacting Kawasaki is not likely to offer resolution. If you've experienced the issue, even if it was years ago or you no longer own the bike, fire off a report to NHTSA. If there are a handful of reports with the same issue, it's more likely that they'll investigate.

To ME (non-engineer, non-mechanic), it seems the issue is that the switches are not sealed; so rain and gunk can easily get into them. Even though cleaning them out isn't hard (I had to have one completely replaced), it's a safety issue. Going down the highway and losing your brake lights in the rain is NOT a good thing. Hopefully, this can result in a course of action that results in new switches.

I THINK the way this website works is, after a couple of days, my "complaint" should show up on NHTSA's website when you search for the 1700 Vaquero (currently, the only thing that shows up is the ignition recall, and nothing under the 'complaint' tab). I think when that appears, there will also be a way to note under the complaint that you experienced the same, or similar, issue. In my mind, even if you only experienced the cruise control issue; it still needs to be reported. The switches use a shared housing and the brake light switch can fail just as easily as the cruise control switch. The scary thing is, you're probably less likely to realize the brake light switch has failed.
It makes sense to me that the rear brake switch would be the one most likely to go, considering that it is much closer to the road than the front brake or clutch switches. I am guessing that it is the rear brake switch that needed replacing?

I shall watch for these issues with my 2011 Nomad. If a problem shows up, I shall immediately report the issue to NHTSA.
 

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The rear brake switch is just for cruise control; at least the one that gets dirty. There's a different switch for the rear brake light. I have had to clean that out several times. However, the one that I had to have replaced was actually the front brake switch. Critically, that meant that if ever I didn't use both brakes, the rear brake light would not illuminate. The front (CC+Brake Light) and rear (CC) switches suffer from the same fatal flaw; they aren't sealed (in fact there's a hole in them, presumably for liquid to drain from). So minerals and grit get in there and mess them up.
 

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I had my front brake switch cleaned. I wanted the dealer to replace it but they would only clean it first. If it happened again they said they would replace the switch. This happened to a bike that has seen rain less than 6 times in its life...lol
 

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The 26th of this month will be 3 years since I bought my 12 Voyager new. I dont have a garage, so bike sets outside year round, but also gets rode year round. I have not had any issues with these switches or the ignition. I do sometimes have the turnsignals not want to work after a good rain. I just spray a little contact cleaner in it and all is good again. Last year we rode 650 miles, 550 of those in light to moderate rain in one day and was issue free. Maybe I'm just lucky?
 

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I had my front brake switch cleaned. I wanted the dealer to replace it but they would only clean it first. If it happened again they said they would replace the switch. This happened to a bike that has seen rain less than 6 times in its life...lol
It's a bad design for sure!
 

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The 26th of this month will be 3 years since I bought my 12 Voyager new. I dont have a garage, so bike sets outside year round, but also gets rode year round. I have not had any issues with these switches or the ignition. I do sometimes have the turnsignals not want to work after a good rain. I just spray a little contact cleaner in it and all is good again. Last year we rode 650 miles, 550 of those in light to moderate rain in one day and was issue free. Maybe I'm just lucky?
It's certainly possible. On Facebook groups it's pretty commonly reported. Even the most common problems will only affect some bikes. Since it seems mostly on the Vaquero; I wonder if the Voyager somehow has different switches.

I'd strongly suggest getting the ignition recall done though. It's free, and it would be awful to be halfway on a trip and for it to short out and fail.
 

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A lot of 1700 owners have reported issues with the cruise control related to the switches; especially the rear brake switch. A few of us have also had clutch switch issues. I won the lottery and after a trip out east and hitting some rain, all three failed. Front brake, rear brake, and clutch. One was replaced and the other two cleaned out by the dealer. However, in my case, I also lost my brake light. The switches didn't just prevent cruise control from working, but they prevented the brake light from illuminating.

I know several folks around here have reported similar issues on their 1700, especially the Vaquero. If that's you, don't forget to file a complaint with NHTSA (U.S. owners) or your countries equivalent. The link is below:

https://www-odi.nhtsa.dot.gov/VehicleComplaint/

Similar responses (finally) got the worn-ignition wire issue recalled, and Kawasaki engineers swiftly developed a fix. Note that most manufacturers will NOT issue a recall unless there's first an investigation by the NHTSA (or NHTSA forces a recall). So contacting Kawasaki is not likely to offer resolution. If you've experienced the issue, even if it was years ago or you no longer own the bike, fire off a report to NHTSA. If there are a handful of reports with the same issue, it's more likely that they'll investigate.

To ME (non-engineer, non-mechanic), it seems the issue is that the switches are not sealed; so rain and gunk can easily get into them. Even though cleaning them out isn't hard (I had to have one completely replaced), it's a safety issue. Going down the highway and losing your brake lights in the rain is NOT a good thing. Hopefully, this can result in a course of action that results in new switches.

I THINK the way this website works is, after a couple of days, my "complaint" should show up on NHTSA's website when you search for the 1700 Vaquero (currently, the only thing that shows up is the ignition recall, and nothing under the 'complaint' tab). I think when that appears, there will also be a way to note under the complaint that you experienced the same, or similar, issue. In my mind, even if you only experienced the cruise control issue; it still needs to be reported. The switches use a shared housing and the brake light switch can fail just as easily as the cruise control switch. The scary thing is, you're probably less likely to realize the brake light switch has failed.
This is the first I've heard of that issue, and I have ridden in a lot of hard rain.....lucky I guess
 

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I had the problem with cruise control not working when my vaquero was 2 months old. when I went in for first oil change at the dealership I mentioned it to the service rep and when I picked it up he said they cleaned the rear brake switch. the cruise control has worked perfectly since then.
 

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I had the problem with cruise control not working when my vaquero was 2 months old. when I went in for first oil change at the dealership I mentioned it to the service rep and when I picked it up he said they cleaned the rear brake switch. the cruise control has worked perfectly since then.
Even those instances need reported. The fact that the switches ever need cleaning is evidence of the poor, unsealed design. It's a bigger issue when the brake light switch fails. And unlike the cruise control switch; the rider might not have any idea his or her brake light isn't working.
 

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Lots of miles and rainstorms on my Voyager and I've had a few clutch switch failures, enough that I carry a spare with me. It's easy to replace and as you say the body is open and you can see the contacts open and close, so easy to clean and blow dry.
I've never had either front brake switch fail, original is still working fine. (cruise and light)
I did have a rear brake switch cause the cruise not to work, but there was nothing wrong with the switch, my brake lever pivot was gummed up and the pedal wasn't retracting far enough to allow the switch to close.
I have never had either of the brake light switches fail.
The rear cruise switch is a sealed unit with the wire harness molded into it, even the plunger has a permanent rubber boot.
The rear brake light switch is separate, and appears to be the same switch used on every model of Vulcan, even my old KLR has the same switch, and I've never had a problem with any of them.
 

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I had same problem with the front brake switch on my 2014 Voyager, scary not knowing the brake light wasn't working, no way of telling unless someone flags you.

Replaced under Kawasaki warranty. Not cleaned out!

Now imperiodically test brake the rear light before a ride.

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I wonder if adding some dielectric grease to the switches would be help. I've owned many boats (when I lived outside of Philly and spent summers on the Chesapeake Bay) and always greased all connections for GPS/Charterplotter/Depth/Radar/etc. once or twice a year and also any switches, even if they had rubber boots. And if you've ever been a boater, you know you will get caught in rain or a t-storm and get soaked. Using the dielectric I never had a failure of a switch or connection. Losing electronics could have dire consequences on the water, as much, if not more so than losing cruise control or a brake light. And I'm not making lite of losing lights or cruise, too many knuckleheads on the road. Loctite and Permatex are ones I've used. The Permatex version even comes in a spray which may make periodic application a breeze especially if you keep a can in your road going kit.
 
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