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I am pretty good at cancelling my signal but every once in a while I forget or don't push the cancel button in far enough and am left with my signal flashing. I wear a full face modular helmet which restricts the view of the dashboard, I need to tilt my head down to view the dashboard so sometimes my signal are flashing for quite a while, which is not very safe. Anyone else have this happen??

The signal minder will cancel the signal after a programmable timeout of 10, 20 or 30 seconds. There are other features available with the SM-3 such as having rear signal light operate as running lights, having the rear signals flash and then on stay on solid when brakes are applied. 4 way flasher option.

1) Kisan recently redesigned the SM-3. The package is smaller than before. They now have a universal electronics body with different harnesses for different bike. Before the harness was hardwired to the electronics package. If you change bike and need a different wiring set up you only have to order the harness for around $15. I removed the stock flasher and the SM-3 easily in the cavity where the original flasher was.

2) Install is simple they supply 3M scotch locks so no wires need to be cut. You will need to refer to the wiring diagram to identify which wires to tap into.

3) Kisan told me that the signal minder was not compatible with a brake light modulator. I have a comagination brake light modulator and the signal minder for the most part is compatible. you want to tap into the brake wire up stream of the modulator. The only difference I found is that the brake light only modulated the first time the brake is depressed and subsequent release and depressions of the brake (within 30 seconds) the brake light was on solid. However this is not really an issue as now the 2 rear signal lights will flash for 2 1/2 seconds before staying on providing a total of three brake lights.

4) Kisan did not state this in the instructions but if you plan on using the rear signals as running lights or brake lights you need to change the rear signal light lens to RED in order to stay legal. $15 on ebay.

5) The 4 way flash is a nice feature if you get stuck on the side of the road etc.

6) All of my riding is during daylight hours so I turned the running light option off. This provides for maximum contrast/visibility when brakes are applied. I also upgraded the stock 1156 bulbs to 3497 bulbs which are about 30% brighter. This has made a huge improvement in making me more visible when the brakes are applied IMO. I also upgraded the 1157 tail/brake light bulb to a 2357 bulb which has 25% higher output on the brake filament than the 1157 bulb.

7) I ordered the SM-3 via www.saferider.com which was almost $20 less than via the Kisan website.

Overall an easy install that adds a lot to the safety of riding IMO. I really like the improvement on the visability when I brake. I was always concerned (still am but less) that some cager will not notice the single tiny brake light and plow into me. Now I have three bright lights flash/come on when I brake!!
 

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I use one also. Money well spent.
 

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I actually ended up getting a little 'buzzer' that worked really well. Beeped with each 'blink', then after a certain amount of time (15 seconds?) it goes into a much louder, much more obnoxious 'alarm'.

I've got a Vaq now with self canceling turn signals and that is nice!
 

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Bill did you use the foam or the springs for the auto cancel. I have been going back and forth on this mod for weeks. In the meantime, everytime I turn I remind myself going in that I need to cancel the signal when I am done - seems to help :)

I want the four way flashers, I volunteer for a charity Moto-Saftey team and could use them when I am parked at an intersection.

What parts did you order?
Sm-3
Their led?
Diode harnes?

Thanks in advance.
 

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Bill did you use the foam or the springs for the auto cancel. I have been going back and forth on this mod for weeks. In the meantime, everytime I turn I remind myself going in that I need to cancel the signal when I am done - seems to help :)

I want the four way flashers, I volunteer for a charity Moto-Saftey team and could use them when I am parked at an intersection.

What parts did you order?
Sm-3
Their led?
Diode harnes?

Thanks in advance.

I ordered the SM-3 with standard harness, I am running incandescent bulbs, need a different diode harness if using led bulbs. Your are prompted when ordering which harness to order. I did not order their LED and the stock dashboard light seems fine. There is a mention on their FAQ about some possible dashboard problems with the running light feature, which I don't have turned on.

I did not install the return springs as I don't want to become dependent on the module to cancel my signals, think of it as a back up to manual cancel.

You can still have 4 way or escort option without the running lights turned on and without the springs installed. little tricky at first but just takes a little practice.
 

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Thanks Bill, I had read eleswhere that the cancelling would be automatic without the springs. I am happy to move the switch back to neutral manually (once the signals have cancelled it is not a big deal). going to order mine today. Seem that your link to the cheaper supplier did not work. Kisan charges a lot to send it to Canada.
 

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Springs are too big so I used the foam and still needed to half them. All you need is the Standard SM-3 kit to install on Vulcan 900. Nothing additional needed for LED bulbs as it is already built into the unit. Besides signal cancelling you also get the running lights in the rear (but need the red lens), blinking brake light flasher, 4-way flashers, parade flashers (left-right-left-right) and lane change flash. Lots of other gimicks out there but this one does a lot for the money.
 

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Thanks Bill, I had read eleswhere that the cancelling would be automatic without the springs. I am happy to move the switch back to neutral manually (once the signals have cancelled it is not a big deal). going to order mine today. Seem that your link to the cheaper supplier did not work. Kisan charges a lot to send it to Canada.
Google ride safer you should find the site. I am pretty sure this is just a different site for Kisan where they sell some other products as well..

I might install the springs or foam at some later date, but want to see how it goes without them first. I kind of want to stay with manual cancel so if I rent a bike somewhere I will be in the habit of cancelling the signals.
 

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Google ride safer you should find the site. I am pretty sure this is just a different site for Kisan where they sell some other products as well..

I might install the springs or foam at some later date, but want to see how it goes without them first. I kind of want to stay with manual cancel so if I rent a bike somewhere I will be in the habit of cancelling the signals.
If you want to stay with manually canceling your signals you really have no need of a SignalMinder as that is its main purpose.
 

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Roger my understanding is that it still cancels you just need to move the switch back manually but the signals still cancel. To use the 4 ways you need to fiddle with the switch.
 

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I would really love to have the four ways and running lights, but I am not sure of the fact that it flashes your front turn signals when you apply the brakes. I don't feel that I need the self canceling as I am in the habit of doing a quick glance down after I make the turn.
 

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Roger my understanding is that it still cancels you just need to move the switch back manually but the signals still cancel. To use the 4 ways you need to fiddle with the switch.
I have not tried that but I believe you are correct about the cancelling but be aware that you may need to reset the cancel differently (not sure). Set up as directed you have to pull/push in the same direction to turn off. That is if you set it to left turn you need to pull the switch the same direction to turn off the signal. I'm thinking that is you don't remember now to turn off your signal after you turn you may not remember to reset the signal to off? If you don't manually reset it it will not come on next time you want to turn until you reset it. So, in a sense, you are right back to where you would be without purchasing and installing the SM. Just thinking out loud:)
 

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Google ride safer you should find the site. I am pretty sure this is just a different site for Kisan where they sell some other products as well..

I might install the springs or foam at some later date, but want to see how it goes without them first. I kind of want to stay with manual cancel so if I rent a bike somewhere I will be in the habit of cancelling the signals.
Bill found the site saved $17 which covered most of the shipping to Canada. It does look like a Kisan site :) should have it in a week to 10 days.

Thanks.
 

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I would really love to have the four ways and running lights, but I am not sure of the fact that it flashes your front turn signals when you apply the brakes. I don't feel that I need the self canceling as I am in the habit of doing a quick glance down after I make the turn.
The flashing brakes are optional. I have mine turned off because I already have a flashing LED bar on the back when I brake. But thinking it over now the flashing front lights might be a good idea safety-wise.

BTW: the turn signal cancel feature has three time settings. I've found that the shortest one works best for me because it is paused as long as you have a brake on, then continues the countdown after you let off the brakes. So a long light or traffic won't affect it going off too early as long as you keep either brake depressed. This is true for all three settings but it seemed to stay on too long after I turned on the other settings for me.
 

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If you just want 4 ways it is easy to do. get a small switch(micro toggle) and wire it to left and right trun sig. in headlight bucket or under seat.Trun on new switch and then trun a trun sig. on and all 4 will flash.Don't for get to trun off new switch to get trun sig to work again.It only take 15 min. to wire up.Come in handy if you do a lot of escort rides.
 

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+1 on 10 second setting with the brake light connected.

I have mine set at 20 seconds which is too long with the brake light connected as the timer is paused whenever the brake is applied.

If you choose to just use the timer without the bake pause the 20 seconds setting seems about right.
 

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Received my SM-3, installed and sort of working. I cannot understand where to put the foam in the switch to make it return automatically. Does anyone have a pick of what they did. I also noticed that it is finicky when it comes to shutting off. If I am at a stop the signal keeps flashing even after the brake is let off. If i just use the signal it goes off after 10 seconds as it is supposed to. I am sure once I sort these problems out I will be happy.

Please someone show me how to install the foam :)
 

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Received my SM-3, installed and sort of working. I cannot understand where to put the foam in the switch to make it return automatically. Does anyone have a pick of what they did. I also noticed that it is finicky when it comes to shutting off. If I am at a stop the signal keeps flashing even after the brake is let off. If i just use the signal it goes off after 10 seconds as it is supposed to. I am sure once I sort these problems out I will be happy.

Please someone show me how to install the foam :)
I don't have a photo but the easiest way to do it is to take the two screws out of the block that contains the turn signal and turn it over to see the bottom of the turn signal. From there it is fairly simple to put the foam plugs in and trim them so they just turn the blinker on. If I remember correctly I only needed to use one foam plug that I cut in half, then ended up cutting a little more off. If they are too think (long) it is difficult to push the selector far enough to turn them on. Also, remember if you want to manually cancel them you need to push the turn signal in the SAME direction that you turned them on. You cannot turn them off by pushing down like you did before you added the SM.

I originally tried to install them as per the directions, but couldn't get them placed correctly or at the best thickness. Popping the assembly off makes it far easier to see what your doing and get them up into the area that they need to be at to work correctly. When you put them assemly back on I just rotated the assmeble until the horn was the most convinient to hit with my thumb. At first I had them rotated to the turn signal was most convenient but discovered that the horn button was then too low it quickly hit with my thumb.
 

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Here is a pic of the switch from behind. Hopefully someone can tell me where the foam goes.
 

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Here is a pic of the switch from behind. Hopefully someone can tell me where the foam goes.
Just move the signal lever while looking at the underside and you'll see the lever going back and forth. Cut your foam to fit on both sides of the lever when the lever is depressed (IE: when lever is to the left, cut and fit the right side and vice-verse). Try it and see if it turns the blinkers on in both directions. You can do that without reattaching the assembly to the handlebars.Trim if necessary. It will be a little harder to turn the turn signal on with the foam in place than when you used the blinkers before the install. That is normal, but try to trim so that is minimized. Once you reattach assemble the foam will not be able to fall out but too short may allow them to fall down to the handlebar. They will compress more after you use them for awhile. I had mine too stiff on my first try and had to take them off and trim a little more off so they would make contact every time. Just use common sense and you will be fine. I did it so that proves you don't have to be overly smart to do it:)
 
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