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first let me start by saying that i am 6' 275 lbs (give or take).
I currently have an 06 shadow 750 spirit (first bike purchased it 2 months ago)
I quickly coming to the realization that shadow 750 is not for me. i like the maneuverability in the twisties and back/ county roads. on the highway its a different story. the bike can perform decently but i want a little bit more. i want something that feels comfortable going 80-85 mph on the highway (which my shadow is) but i want something that i can roll on the throttle while going 80-85 mph and can quickly deliver some oomph. something that when a car pull up and puts me in his blind spot, i can roll on the throttle and quickly get out of that potential hazard, and can do it with a little bit of an attitude. when i roll on my shadow it can gradually get me out of that hazzard, but not as quickly as i want nor with the attitude that i want. but i don't want to sacrifice my gas millage, or any maneuverability. i am figuring that since i am almost there with a 750 a 900 should be able give me what i want, but i am not sure, and its not like i can take it out for a test ride to see. i have people in my ear telling me that i need to look for something in the 1500 cc range but i am not sure if i agree with that. i am still a new rider, and i want the power and to be manageable for my experience level. your thoughts are appreciated, keep them coming please.
 

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In aI'm not a tiny girl, and I've ridden with my daughter on the back of my Classic many, many times, and have no problems whatsoever. And, I've ridden on the back of my guy's Custom many times, and again, the get-up-and-go is never an issue. So, you, by yourself? No worries there.
 

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Any V twin is going to be well out of the peak torque range at 80 to 85 mph, usually delivered around 3.400 to 3500 rpm.

telling me that i need to look for something in the 1500 cc range but i am not sure if i agree with that. i am still a new rider,
A nomad 1600 will certainly have more punch than your 750, power is controlled by the twist of the wrist and what's between your ears, not necessarily by experience.

2 things, first I question ( and I'm playing the devils advocate here, not a criticism) what a newb would be doing riding around cars at 80 to 85 mph, (and wanting to increase the speed level) secondly, the more experienced you become, the less threatening 4 wheelers will seem. You may be putting yourself into your own situations.

The shadow may certainly be under powered for a man of your size, cruisers regardless of engine size, when compared to sport bikes and sport tourer's are as about as docile as you can get. Rolling on the throttle on a nomad is not like rolling on the throttle of a
R1.

The 900 is a bigger engine size , frame size and wheel base than your shadow by far, I'm just not sure whether the "roll on " is going to be what you expect.

Riding is all about focus, defensive skills, pre-emptive vision, owning your own travel lane and riding with authority (not aggressively), showing people you belong there. I see far to many (and this may not be you) newbs (you can pick em a mile off) riding timidly, stiff armed, petrified and over reacting to traffic, to which 4 wheelers take advantage of this situation and put you in situations that you may not be comfortable with.

We have all been there.
 

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no offense taken, i am in agreement with you. I have been a rider for a very short period of time, but i have been licensed a couple of times and have taken the msf course a couple of times. I let the endorsement on my license go the first time because i wasn't regularly riding, when i had the money to purchase a bike i went through the course again. I do like to ride/ drive at what some consider a slightly accelerated rate when on the interstate. i am there to get somewhere, if i want a slower ride, i would take back/county roads, which i often do. cars aren't really my issue. but again, if i am forced in a blind spot i want the option be able to accelerate to get out of it as opposed to slowing down. i am definitely not a timid rider, and riding feels very comfortable. i love the styling of the cruiser and most of my riding is under 85 mph. contrary to how i may be stating my issue/claims, i do not have a death wish. i want a cruiser that is easy to maneuver, that can support 2 up at times, and feels comfortable on the highway.
I am not asking for something that does 150+ that isn't me.
 

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Any V twin is going to be well out of the peak torque range at 80 to 85 mph, usually delivered around 3.400 to 3500 rpm.


The 900 is a bigger engine size , frame size and wheel base than your shadow by far, I'm just not sure whether the "roll on " is going to be what you expect.
+1!!

The long stroke V-twins used for cruisers are torque machines with lot's of smiles on the low end.

The 900 is a great bike and a lot of people are happy with it's performance at 80mph.
I wasn't. I was perfectly happy with everything from 0-60; but feel safer with some punch at higher speeds.

Even my 1700 VV could stand to have a little more roll-on at 75.
I hear the V2K will push you back even at over 100mph.:)

A lot of the Kaw dealerships currently have 'test' bikes to try.
Put your zip code into this page and see if dealers near you have test rides available.
http://www.kawasaki.com/DealerLocator/default.aspx

At 6' foot & 275; I wouldn't spend money on another mid sized bike. Even if it means getting some more miles on that 750 to gain confidence before moving up.

Scott
 

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Not trying to sound like a jerk, (I have a hard time sugar coating things sometimes) but it sounds like you don't know what you want. First you say you are a new rider, then you say your not. It is nice having that kind of power, but with great power comes great respect for said power. Keeping your eyes open will keep you out of danger more than the few times having to power to get out of the way will.

If you have great respect and listen to that fatty substance between your ears, you can ride a 500 just as safely as a zx-14 ninja. Sounds like you need to try out some bikes and see what you like. As you can see I ride an 08 V2K. They won't go much faster than any other vtwin cruiser. It will just get you there quicker and won't slow down on steep hills and can load it down like an old broken down mule.

With some modern V-twins (modern as in the 900 kaw, 950 yam and such) they are just as capable as their older larger counterparts. The 900 Kaw is just as capable as the carbed 1500 classics. Don't let the displacement make the decision for you.

Also don't be afraid of a bigger bike. They are nothing to be afraid of. Just treat them with the respect they require and you will be happy. Stepping off of my big bike soap box now. :D Find a bike that is comfortable, that will do what you NEED it to do, enjoy, and ride safe. :D
 

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Hey, I've got a 750 shadow AND a 900 Vulcan!

Even though there's only a 150cc difference in displacement there's a big difference in power. The 900 has plenty of power. It's much stronger than the 750, and much more stable than the 750.

That said; if you wanna go even bigger; like Scott said, you really need one of the MUCH bigger bikes. The 900 and 1500 have the same amount of horsepower, for example. Fuel injection and modern engine designs allow smaller engines to make lots more power. A 1700 or V2K though will have lots of power!
 

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i like the maneuverability in the twisties and back/ county roads. on the highway its a different story. the bike can perform decently but i want a little bit more.
Every motorcycle owner wants a little bit more of something. We like what we got but always wondering about another.

My take on this is a little different because experience is what is needed here.

I had a 750 and probably would still have it if I had not dropped it at 5 mph and totaled it. I had it less than a year and was first bike.

It is the perfect bike for you at this time. Give yourself more time and miles on the bike. I would suggest that for now, you try and avoid highways. We get to feeling pretty confident after a few months and few hundred miles but you will always find yourself in a learning situation. You need more time... then move on to something else.
 

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you don't sound like a jerk. no need to sugar coat, i am a big boy. i am fairly new. i did get licensed before and have gone through the course befor but no actual riding experience outside of the courses until i got my current bike 2 months ago. you are right, i do need to try out a few. i would like to stay away from the bigger bikes for other reasons as well (weight, insurance costs). i am basically looking for a cruiser that will last for a few years, then i will get another bike and possibly keep whatever this one may be for riding around town.
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your right, i need to test ride. have spoken to a kawaski dealer about the 900, i will give it a ride, and other before i come to a conclusion. the one thing that i know, is that the honda 750 is not for me. i like the styling, but it could stand to be a little longer, and i would prefer something with a tad more power.
 

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I also agree with you that the 750 is a bit on the small size (frame wise). I rode a short stint on an 1100 Yamaha custom. At that time I was your height and plus 25 lbs. It is not a big guy bike. Just not enough room. During the fall and winter, I lost 65 lbs and it was more comfortable but losing weight don't help with the length of the bike.

I have one more bit of advice to offer. Don't but a bike just because it is cheaper to own and operate and try to turn it in to something it is not, you will waste a ton of money and still end up trading or selling it to get what you wanted in the first place. It sounds like you have a plan for that already, just wanted to put that out there.

Another good thing about the 900 is that despite its smaller displacement it has good pep. Also the frame of the bike is longer than a lot of your "BIG" bikes. You will have room to stretch out on it, if that is the position you want. Also if you are married or have a lady friend that rides on the back. The 900 has a good amount of room for a passenger too (the classic that is).
 

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Not trying to sound like a jerk, (I have a hard time sugar coating things sometimes) but it sounds like you don't know what you want. First you say you are a new rider, then you say your not. It is nice having that kind of power, but with great power comes great respect for said power. Keeping your eyes open will keep you out of danger more than the few times having to power to get out of the way will.

If you have great respect and listen to that fatty substance between your ears, you can ride a 500 just as safely as a zx-14 ninja. Sounds like you need to try out some bikes and see what you like. As you can see I ride an 08 V2K. They won't go much faster than any other vtwin cruiser. It will just get you there quicker and won't slow down on steep hills and can load it down like an old broken down mule.

With some modern V-twins (modern as in the 900 kaw, 950 yam and such) they are just as capable as their older larger counterparts. The 900 Kaw is just as capable as the carbed 1500 classics. Don't let the displacement make the decision for you.

Also don't be afraid of a bigger bike. They are nothing to be afraid of. Just treat them with the respect they require and you will be happy. Stepping off of my big bike soap box now. :D Find a bike that is comfortable, that will do what you NEED it to do, enjoy, and ride safe. :D
+1 +1!:)
The best safety feature while riding is your brain!

That's not to knock things like anti-lock brakes, wolo horns or always on headlights; but the best way to avoid trouble is to anticipate it.

It's been a long time (teenager?) since I have had a vehicle with as little 'kick in the pants' at 75mph as my two cruisers have had.
If I step on the gas in my truck at 75; I'm doing 100+ PDQ.
Once you get used too it, it's kinda hard to go without it.

Scott
 

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The best safety feature while riding is your brain!

That's not to knock things like anti-lock brakes, wolo horns or always on headlights; but the best way to avoid trouble is to anticipate it.

It's been a long time (teenager?) since I have had a vehicle with as little 'kick in the pants' at 75mph as my two cruisers have had.
If I step on the gas in my truck at 75; I'm doing 100+ PDQ.
Once you get used too it, it's kinda hard to go without it.

Scott
That's it. I don't have any of the extra "safety" things on my bike. I am not saying they are useless and a waste of money, but being aware of your surrounding is more valuable than any neon colored flashy do-dad you can install on the bike or yourself.

That being said, to the OP, that dose not mean being paranoid. At first it may take some effort. Just like when you started driving a vehicle, but now I bet you can glance at your mirrors, know where most of the traffic is, how fast you are going, with out really thinking. Same concept, just takes some practice and experience.

Oh yeah I almost forgot. It is hard to down size. I went from an 04 4x4 Silverado 5.3 with 4.11 gears, cold air intake, dual glass pack exhaust, larger throttle body, and programmer (beast would squack tires when down shift to 2nd at 40 or so) down to a 92 4x4 s-10 that was about to fall apart. (had a baby on the way and had to get rid of payments)
 

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I can totally agree with your feel on the shadow. I alwasy feel like I'm sitting above the tank and that I'm too compacted on them. I absolutely love the fit and feel of my 800 classic. the tank sits higher which makes me feel more secure that I'm not going to end up riding on the tank. The frame feels better and the throttle response and shift is right where I expect them to be. I rode a 750 spirit and just didnt care for it. I built a 600 VLX brat style and was very happy with it but I also sunk the seat in it about 6 inches so that made the tank sit higher and it was a total blast to ride. But for comfort maneuverability throttle and aesthetics I'd put money on my vulcan any day of the week. I've never rode the 900 but I've been told its a big bike feel in a mid size package.

I've been riding for 14 years and have never felt the need to own a 1500 or larger bike. My largest bike was a 1000cc iron head Sportster and like all old irons I fel out of love with the ride as it beat me up and I had to keep working on it.

If you do decide to goto the 900 I would guess you'll likely be very happy with it and probably wont be ready to get off of it in a couple years. The vulcans are know for long lives with regular maintenance and are pretty bullet proof. Regardless what you decide to do. Ride what your comfortable with and regardless of the situation "All The Gear All The Time!"

RIDE SAFE!
 

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Thank you for the comparision, this is very insightful, and it help to make a decision.
@SWVA_08V2k
thanks again, yes i am married, and once in a blue moon, it would be nice to take the ol' lady out for a ride. there isn't enough power in the 750 to do that.
@chopaholic
Alot of people have the same issues that i have. i am on the honda shadows forum as well, and people are feeling my pain there as well. the plan is to give the vulcan 900 a test ride. i can find some preowned ones for a good price if thats the route that i go.

good information guys, i appreciate it. stay tuned!
 

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Well, as someone sharing your stature almost pound for pound and the same height, I really don't have too many issues with the 900's acceleration at higher speeds. I have also ridden a 750 shadow (back to back with mine), and it felt like an old tired dog next to the 900.

I would say you will have absolutely zero issues accelerating out of trouble at 80 mph. (Part of that may be due to the minor modifications done to my bike though)

But, as others have said, your best bet is to ride safely and anticipate trouble before it happens. lots and lots of miles on bikes (and a safety course!) have helped me learn how to do that.
 

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Thanks for replying. And anyone else who replied as well, I really appreciate it. If I can get out of work a little early, I will go for a test ride. If all goes as anticipated, I will take delivery by the end of the week. Anticipated meaning I get good value for my shadow and a good price. I've already started looking into purchasing at least a new front pilly for it. And I want that cafe rider winscreen.
 

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I have a 900 and it has alot of power. I have friends who have bigger bikes but it all depends on what you want to do I travel the highways long enough to get to the back roads and enjoy the ride. I did catch myself doing 85 the other day down the highway.
 

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My wife has a 900 Classic LT and I love riding it just for the fun of it. I'm 6'2" and 300 lbs ( I know, fat ass ) and it SCOOTS real well with me. But I had a Nomad 1600 that was better on the highway with me. Not to mention I think I look kind of silly on the smaller 900. The 900 is a great machine but someone our size needs a little more muscle.
 

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My wife has a 900 Classic LT and I love riding it just for the fun of it. I'm 6'2" and 300 lbs ( I know, fat ass ) and it SCOOTS real well with me. But I had a Nomad 1600 that was better on the highway with me. Not to mention I think I look kind of silly on the smaller 900. The 900 is a great machine but someone our size needs a little more muscle.
Maybe you could just say your "big boned"! That's what I tell people!:cool::p

I'm 6'1 (6'2" in motorcycle boots:D) and about 270 lbs. I carry it well, most guess I'm not a pound over 260!

Just kidding. People usually guess that I'm around 240 or so.
 

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I'll let the test rides decide it for me. there are at least a couple of bikes that i plan on riding, both back roads and highway. i hope the Vulcan is up to the task. we will find out Thursday since i didn't make it to the dealership early enough today. i also plan on riding a 1300 vstar (2006 i believe), although the seating position felt a little cramped, and the mustang seat was sticking me in my back. the 950 felt better seating wise, but that is above my pay grade, plus i would prefer a liquid cooled bike. For some reason, i am not a fan of floor boards. i prefer my feet to be on an angle as opposed to parallel to the ground. @GFISH, i never catch myself doing 85 mph, in my shadow its always a deliberate attempt. i envy you. not that i want to do it all the time, but its nice to have it. fyi not that it matters but the vulcan is a 2010 with less than 300 miles.

@CustomRider,
same here. no one believes that i am the size that i am. i would use the term big boned, cause i feel that implies that you dont have much muscle. i have descent amount of it, i guess i have to in order to carry around this frame. But the nickname "Big Man" does seem to stick. damn desk job!
 
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