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I've been wearing a 3/4 helmet since I started riding again a couple months or so back. Well the weather has changed so I went to the winter hat which is a Bell full face. Now I catch myself going way to fast. It seems I got so used to the sound and feel that now the full face has changed my perception of things. If I open the shield I slow right down. I've always depended on the seat of my pants whether riding, driving, flying, or anything else I do but I'm having trouble adjusting to the difference in sound and air movement in this case. Yep I know I'm strange, but surely I'm not totally alone here am I?
 

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You're not alone.

I live in Florida, so I have the option not to wear a helmet. They're hot, uncomfortable things and the extra weight and wind resistance tends to irritate my bulging discs in my neck.

Plus, they give me this 'Invincible' feeling I don't really like.
 

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They're definitely not comfortable, especially when it's warm. A lot of people are just scared of not wearing a full-face helmet anytime they're touching the motorcycle.
 

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You're not alone.

I live in Florida, so I have the option not to wear a helmet. They're hot, uncomfortable things and the extra weight and wind resistance tends to irritate my bulging discs in my neck.

Plus, they give me this 'Invincible' feeling I don't really like.
Here in Indiana like Florida there are no communist mandated helmet laws either but it is a rule of my own. When I rode many years ago a lot of that time was on a race track and old habits are hard to break. Being a fan of Bell is another of those holdovers.:rolleyes: I do understand the disc problems. Mine too are in my stupid neck ;) but I'll deal with it since history has me convinced it is the right thing to do, and more than once.

The strange thing is, I don't remember changing helmets changing the feel of things so much, but then again I didn't exactly get younger.:) The good part of getting older is you have something you can easily blame your flaws on.,:cool:


BTW that invincible feeling has subsided somewhat but probably not near enough.:eek: I know you understand also. :D
 

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Hmm, interesting observation!

I love mine when it's cold out. That along with a thin black scarf I wear (and a chin curtain in the full face helmet) and I'm good way down into the low temps and comfortable. But I guess I've never noticed my speed changing. I tend to adjust my speed on the seat of my pants as well but I guess I usually go buy the sound of the pipes, I pretty much have gotten used to what the pipes sound like at certain speeds.

I don't find my full face uncomfortable, though I know a lot of people do. I actually kinda like it. I must have the 'right shaped head' for it I guess. It's just really nice when it's cold out. I look at all of these other guys wrapping facemasks and scarves and goggles and all sorts of stuff underneath their half shell, and I just pop on a helmet!

And HRH, I'll agree with ya there. I've known a few people who, frankly, are afraid to ride a motorcycle but do it anyway. Riding a machine your afraid of with a helmet on is probably more dangerous than riding a machine your comfortable with without it. People die with helmets on too. Although a healthy amount of fear is probably good. I don't run red lights or pull out without looking, and I suppose you could say it's because I'm afraid of getting clobbered by a car! lol.

I always wear a helmet, because, I think it's the right thing for me to do. Doesn't bother me when others don't though, that's them, I'm me. Crashes do happen and sometimes they happen to good riders! But, again, I think there's a difference between being sensible and accepting and managing risk, and just being silly. Although I guess if I'm gonna be alright with people not wearing a helmet, I shouldn't have anything to say about people wearing big ol' leather track suits, that would be hypocritical otherwise. BUT, I DO have something to say about the people who decide that they want to be 'safe' on their motorcycle by wearing a full face and gear, then ride like a lunatic!
 

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I wish I had been wearing a full face helmet the first time I was bucked off a bike. I would likely still have my own front tooth! My bud wishes he had been wearing a full face instead of the 3/4 after we zipped through a swarm of bees - with several of them having a good ol' time inside his helmet on his head until he managed to stop, dump the bike and rip the helmet off. Lost count of the number of hard bugs and road debris that has bounced off my full face. From the looks of the front of my son-in-laws full face helmet after he performed a unannounced high-side maneuver, he would not have much of a face right now if not for the helmet. The few times I rode without a helmet in KY, I quickly found it uncomfortable.That said, to each their own. My big lesson for purchasing a full face helmet is to not skimp - buy quality! A lot of the common complaints disappear when you do. Just my two cents.
 

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People die with helmets on too.
Yup, that's right, but last figures I saw said that you're ~30% less likely to die and ~67% less likely to have a disabling brain injury if you wear a helmet.

Those are significant numbers. I should ALWAYS wear one but I don't (always). Why not? Because like many others it's probably because I foolishly think "I'll never happen to me." or "It's just a short ride.".
 

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When we first met, my wife was putting herself through nursing school while working as an EMT with EMS. She had seen enough motorcycle head injuries that she won't ride without one. We have the option here in SC too. However, I've always worn one since 1966 and changed to full face in 1990. Diagrams and statistics show that the frontal face/jaw area take the most damage. My cousin just had the halo removed from his head after months of being screwed into it. Slow speed wreck without a helmet. I have a friend of 40 years slowly dying after over a year of strokes and having the skin pulled over the huge hole in his skull. Brain swelling and darinage will not allow the hole to be covered. No helmet, left the road and hit a tree. As a hospice chaplain I could give other examples of sitting with patients dying of head injuries because they were too cool or it was too hot to wear a helmet. It's your right to not wear one but I love my life, wife, children, grandchildren and friends too much to think of them suffering because I decided to ride without a helmet.
 

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My big lesson for purchasing a full face helmet is to not skimp - buy quality! A lot of the common complaints disappear when you do. Just my two cents.
I fully agree. There is so much difference in the fit and comfort of helmets based on brand and your head shape it's almost unbelievable until you try on many different brands and price ranges.
 

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That said, to each their own. My big lesson for purchasing a full face helmet is to not skimp - buy quality! A lot of the common complaints disappear when you do. Just my two cents.
That's the key. Buying a cheap full face online or wearing your buddies, is probably going to be uncomfortable! There are all sorts of VERY comfortable full face helmets out there. It's like anything else, you get what you paid for. It's not for everyone but, it's hard to judge them all off of one cheap one!

And the 'fit' is more than size you really have to try them on and wear them around for a while. Different brands use different shapes. The key to comfort is to have them fit right. As far as heat, good ventilation is available on these helmets that makes them really cool. Plus, I ride with the visor open when it's hot (and safety sunglasses to keep the bugs out of my eyeballs!), I'm not ever warm or sweaty. But that's me and my helmet, and again, everyone is different.

Yup, that's right, but last figures I saw said that you're ~30% less likely to die and ~67% less likely to have a disabling brain injury if you wear a helmet.

Those are significant numbers. I should ALWAYS wear one but I don't (always). Why not? Because like many others it's probably because I foolishly think "I'll never happen to me." or "It's just a short ride.".

Well and that's why I always wear a helmet too. I just believe in being a realist and recognizing risks and managing them responsibly, not feeling 'invincible'. I don't knock those that choose not to, but, I always wear mine. Like I said above, it feels like the right thing to do. I'm just not a fan of a guy doing 180 down the highway in a $600 full face telling me how 'safe' he is (even though I wear a full face too!) You have GOT to prioritize safe riding. No matter WHAT you wear it won't matter if you ride impaired, don't ride defensively, and/or ride outside your limits. Just be sensible.
 

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Although this thread was started with a different premise in mind, I knew it would drift into another Have To Wear A Helmet thread chock full of useless statistics and false information. Statistics are numbers only and worth nothing when your personal case happens to fall outside the norm. Forget statistics since within the realm of reality they serve no purpose.

As far as the fit of a helmet goes, if it is comfortable you have the wrong one. Yes, there is a difference in quality but it isn't what most people think and it isn't always determined by price. A helmet that doesn't fit VERY tight may well do as much harm as good and this goes for both 3/4 and full. Skull caps are merely a work around to thwart the asinine helmet laws so I will not even consider them in any conversation about protection. As someone who has actually taken advantage of the equipment by putting it to use for it's intended purpose I assure you numbers and comfort neither serve any purpose in the choice of which helmet to use.

As a prime example of what not to use, I looked at helmets the other day that had a rubberized coating on the outside. As someone who has made the slide for life trip both due to wrecks and intentionally to avoid dying, I assure you the last thing you want is for that helmet to get traction at a different rate than the rest of you no matter if the thing fits correctly or not.

Long story short, don't get caught up in consumer hype and cosmetics and don't buy into the old wives tales that any helmet is better than none because neither will serve you well when your time comes. And if you live long enough it Will come. Light weight, shock absorption internals, and solid fit are the main saving graces of any helmet.

BTW my original interest in different helmets effecting perception of speed still stands.
 

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I disagree on several point.

1. Statistics about helmets are relevant. But if you assume worst case for example like plowing head on into an oncoming semi at 60 mph then, yeah, a helmet isn't going to save you...but that's part of why the statistic number is what it is. If a helmet was a guarantee then it would be 100%, not ~30%.

2. Helmet comfort. In this regard comfort is a relative term. If your helmet isn't comfortable, comfortable as helmets go, you've probably got the wrong one. You don't have to be tortured by the fit of a helmet. Some are definitely more comfortable than others between brand and head shape and level in the product line. Helmet comfort is paramount if you're going to have a helmet because if it's so bad you get a headache or whatever, and you don't wear it because of that, what's the point?

3. Wive's tale that any helmet is better than none. Again, if we're assuming the ultimate worst case scenario then I agree. The other 99% of the time you are better off with any helmet (except those cosmetic ones you mentioned to skirt the law) than none. Lest I be flamed, I do believe it is (or should be) your choice whether or not to wear a helmet. The facts, however, are indisputable that wearing a helmet considerably reduces your risk of death in an accident.

I only have full face helmets so my saying speed changes based on style I can't opine. On my cruiser I don't believe I drive faster with the helmet on, but I know I do on my crotch rocket because without the FF helmet my eyes start tearing up/watering before I can get going too fast, and wearing just goggles looks plain weird on a crotch rocket.
 

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Although this thread was started with a different premise in mind, I knew it would drift into another Have To Wear A Helmet thread chock full of useless statistics and false information. Statistics are numbers only and worth nothing when your personal case happens to fall outside the norm. Forget statistics since within the realm of reality they serve no purpose.
This is what I stated and there is absolutely nothing untrue or even disputable about it. If your case falls outside that which is covered by accepted data, there are no viable stats. Reality of any situation is individual and therefore no stat will be totally accurate to a given situation.

You can say that comfort is relative but in reality to get the best performance as far as injury prevention goes comfort plays little part. A hat in order to fit comfortably fits much too loosely to afford proper protection yet that comfort is what most opt for. In that regard they acquire a false sense of security and nullify most accepted statistics. Manufacturers play to the masses in order to propagate business but people who use their products professionally seldom use off the shelf products offered to the general public who supports them financially. My statement that an improperly fit hat can and will do more harm than good stands. Been there done that. Learned from my mistakes. Many don't get that opportunity and become statistics.

I've heard it said that 47% of all statistics are inaccurate and as much as 52% are merely made up to support an agenda. Throw in a + or - variable of 2% and what does that leave you with. :D:D:D

Fact of the matter is, if you want safety in your life, don't ride, drive, fly, chase women, or any of the other things that make life worth living. After all, If you're not living on the edge you're just taking up too much space.;)
 

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Fact of the matter is, if you want safety in your life, don't ride, drive, fly, chase women, or any of the other things that make life worth living. After all, If you're not living on the edge you're just taking up too much space.;)
Cop out on the discussion.

I've heard it said that 47% of all statistics are inaccurate and as much as 52% are merely made up to support an agenda. Throw in a + or - variable of 2% and what does that leave you with.
And I've heard it said that people make up all kinds of stuff to dismiss things that don't support their agenda. ;)

Fact is, statistics generally aren't intended to represent individual circumstances (as we seem to agree) but that doesn't nullify the statistical theory nor the results that say you're better off wearing a helmet than not.
 

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Cop out on the discussion.



And I've heard it said that people make up all kinds of stuff to dismiss things that don't support their agenda. ;)

Fact is, statistics generally aren't intended to represent individual circumstances (as we seem to agree) but that doesn't nullify the statistical theory nor the results that say you're better off wearing a properly fitted helmet than not.
With the noted change in your statement above, yes I agree.

Yep, if ya can't convince them with facts baffle them with BS. ;):D That's where statistics come in. Our latest presidential campaigns come to mind. Each side uses the same stats to support opposite positions. This is the flaw in statistical analysis. It's all subject to interpretation and perception.
 

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All data/statistics will never be 100% accurate..... Why? Human involvement.....
Human error WILL always be apart of the equation to every piece of data/statistics.

What it all boils down to is "Personal choice/preference and laws" as to whether you wear none, some or all of the safety gear that is needed for you to ride in a manner and conditions you're accustom too.

Down here in Oz, the minimum law is an approved helmet. But they also recommend wearing protective clothing.

I myself have 2 helmets. 1 full face and 1 open face. This is my choice and no-one else's.

I've read in the Gixxer forum where some ppl don't wear helmets with the mind set of "I like speed and a helmet won't save my life" mentality.....
Another part of the discussion was on protective clothing where a rider had only ever worn street clothing until he came off his ride with massive amount of gravel rash. Now he wears protective clothing ALL the time.
 

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After over 40 years and nine bikes, within the last few months I've just started wearing Kevlar lined Draggin' Jeans, over the ankle Bates boots and gloves (bought last week at the bike show). Seeing both my cousin and a close friend in the hospital opened my eyes. Riding is dangerous enough and I was hit by a car at 19 and walked away, and broke a leg at 40. Layed off for eight years and came back but am much more safety cautious and wear protective gear now. Am ordering a Draggin' Jeans Lined Jacket this week.
 

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Up here in Canada it is law to wear a minimum of a DOT approved helmut. Now the question of whether or not it should be law is another discussion, but I for one will be wearing a helmut. I love my life, wife, family and friends, and want to do all I can to stay around as long as I can.
I wear a leather jacket and good gloves, but don't have chaps or the like as yet, but they are on the shopping list.
I have been away from biking for 30 years and just getting back into it the past 3 months, and love to ride. I will do everything in my power to maintain my ability to ride, and that includes using my safety gear.
In my previous riding experiences, I did have the unpleasant event of sliding down the pavement and wearing the facemask rivets off a helmut. No way to know for sure, but if it were not for that helmut I might not be typing this.
 

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All data/statistics will never be 100% accurate..... .
Nobody ever said it/they would be but, again, that doesn't change the fact of what the statistics say about wearing helmets. - improving your odds of survival by 30% (wear), or not (don't wear).

There is a LOT of accident data behind those statistics and that amount of data improves the confidence level. It's not like they've based on one or two cases to draw a conclusion.

If anyone chooses to not wear a helmet (where that choice is yours) I fully support your choice, but it doesn't work to dismiss the statistics with flawed arguments.
 

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.... I catch myself going way to fast. It seems I got so used to the sound and feel that now the full face has changed my perception of things..........I know I'm strange, but surely I'm not totally alone here am I?
I am not doing the wear or not thing so, Talking about changing your helmit. This past summer I had two bikes, one a Vulcan and the other a 1200 Bandit. I had been riding for over 30 years, have all kinds of linds, mostly ride with the 1/2 on, and glasses. When I ride for fun (back roads etc) the 1/2 is on, when I ride the parkways, or what I call testing my abilitiy (this is not crazy shit but riding hard, low speed parking lot u turns at 8/10 ft wide, highspeed turns, quick stops, etc.) I use the full face, with my glasses and drop down shield. On the Vulcan, I would start out w/ the 1/2 ride then change to the full, and then hit the parkway. The full helmit wil let the wind move over my head, stops things from hitting my face and stops some sounds, things I do not want to deal with or have the time too when riding faster, it keeps me more in-turn to what is going on around me, what me and the bike are doing and what we are going to do next. As soon as I go back to my lay-back riding, I pull over and on goes the 1/2.............So with the Bandit, I have always put the full on from the start, its hard to keep that bike under 80 mph, no time to deal with bugs/wind hitting the face, sounds, etc., its hard riding time! I now just have a Nomad, so I wear the 1/2 and keep the full in the bag just in-case I need it....being older I know what you are talking about in dif helmits, mostly use the full in cold weather just to keep warmer, and in summer still keep the full in the bag just so I feel younger lol.
 
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