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I'll start out by saying that in no way am i hd bashing. hd's are beautiul bikes. its the riders that crack me up. so i pull up to a hd at a light on my way home. it looked like a late 90's or early 2000 street glide or something like that. so we both say hi to eachother and i follow it with a "nice bike." However his bike looked a little beat up.the main reason why i threw it out there was because i wanted to see what his response would be. My 12' vn900 classic se looked a hell of a lot nicer than his did as i take really good care of my bike. he then took the next few moments looking my bike over. he had to be starring for at least 30-40sec. he said nothing. just looked straight and rode off when the light turned green. it made me laugh, not even a "yours too." Now, i dont need him to tell me i have a nice ride because i know i do. its just funny that some, not all, hd guys have the mindset if its not a hd then it aint sh*t. this hasnt been my expirence with all hd guys just about half of them. its ok though, to each their own. anyone have similar expirences?
 

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Not the quite the same, but I have a friend who's been riding an '02 Nomad. Over the winter he bought his dream bike; a late model HD dresser (somethin' glide). Anyway, he's talking about his new bike and he says "When I park them side by side, I gotta say the Nomad is the better looking bike, more style." A few days later a mutual friend tells me he feels a little cramped on the Glide. The bars and boards are too close to the seat, the bike just feels small. Today I hear he sold the Nomad.
 

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I'll start out by saying that in no way am i hd bashing. hd's are beautiul bikes. its the riders that crack me up. so i pull up to a hd at a light on my way home. it looked like a late 90's or early 2000 street glide or something like that. so we both say hi to eachother and i follow it with a "nice bike." However his bike looked a little beat up.the main reason why i threw it out there was because i wanted to see what his response would be. My 12' vn900 classic se looked a hell of a lot nicer than his did as i take really good care of my bike. he then took the next few moments looking my bike over. he had to be starring for at least 30-40sec. he said nothing. just looked straight and rode off when the light turned green. it made me laugh, not even a "yours too." Now, i dont need him to tell me i have a nice ride because i know i do. its just funny that some, not all, hd guys have the mindset if its not a hd then it aint sh*t. this hasnt been my expirence with all hd guys just about half of them. its ok though, to each their own. anyone have similar expirences?
Yes, true, very nice bikes indeed those hd's are. Kind of like the gun scenario, (not to raise any other remarks please) guns don't killl people, people do. Harley's don't make people act silly, people do. They often adopt a perspective on life that makes their life paradigm "hd". Again, as you say, not all people. But, seems to happen with things that are more expensive or items or individuals who have "clout" (popularity) behind their name.
 

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I have a buddy that's has owned a Suzuki vl1500 for a number of years and most of my friends have Harleys except a few of us and the attitude seems to take a week or two to adopt because when he bought a mid 90's softail the first week all he did was complain about how uncomfortable it was and how much better the Suzuki was within 2 weeks it was Harley or nothing even tho he can't ride.more than an hour at a time on it lol
 

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When I first started riding in the mid '90's the attitude was starting to change about none HD's by HD's. Very rarely would I even get a nod from an HD rider, just attitude. Nowadays we just nod to each other and ride on. Frankly I don't care. Riding is riding, just enjoy the ride, the day and/or the weather. If they feel they need to be snooty then eff'm.
 

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This is called "confirmation bias," which happens when a person possesses something and comes to see it as the best - what else can he do? He's invested in it, so it just has to be the best, or he's admitting that he screwed up and made a bad choice. In the case of HDs, of course,the hype only adds to the perceived "greatness" of the brand, and how it reflects on owners. Or so they think...


I have a buddy that's has owned a Suzuki vl1500 for a number of years and most of my friends have Harleys except a few of us and the attitude seems to take a week or two to adopt because when he bought a mid 90's softail the first week all he did was complain about how uncomfortable it was and how much better the Suzuki was within 2 weeks it was Harley or nothing even tho he can't ride.more than an hour at a time on it lol
 

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I've been ragging a guy I see at work everyday. He bought a something glide that he paid 12k for thats about 6 years old. He showed me a picture of it, it's a nice bike.

Funny part is the day he picked it up it was 50 degrees and about a 45 minute ride, he trailered it home LOL. So I'm like you spent 12k on a bike you've wanted all your life and didn't ride it home.

2 weeks have passed and each day I ask him if it's in the parking lot and he says no it's too cold, today he asks me where he can buy a helmet so he can ride with his other HD buddies this weekend. I told him go to Walmart LOL.

so 12k for a dream bike and two weeks no helmet to ride it with, wait til Monday I'll tell him he jinxed the bike and it'll spend it's life on a trailer or in the shop.
 

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Have a friend I hadn't seen in a year, we connected over the Internet and when we realized we'd both bought new bikes (my 2012 Classic SE), his a single seat something cruiser, we met half way between homes for lunch. Afterward we went for a 25 mile ride and stopped for something to drink. He had been leading and I stayed right with him. We both had added crash bars and windshields. He gave my bike a long look, walked around it and asked if I'd mind telling him what it cost me. I told him. His head dropped and he groaned, "I knew I paid too much and should have looked at other bikes." The difference was enough to pay my taxes and insurance for 3-4 years.
 

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I have a buddy at work that has an hd. he's probably in the minority about acknowledging other bikes.he's riddin all types of bike including a a kawasaki the he put over 100,000mi on. first thing he told me before i got my bike was not to get a hd. At least not as my first bike that would be a daily rider. ive met other hd owners that share a love for all bikes not just their's.i enjoy talking to those dudes, gives me a chance to see what they like and dont like about their bikes.
 

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Had a guy at work pull in next to me at work one night on his Ultra Glide and says "One day maybe you'll get a big boy bike". Funny thing is later he said he missed the power of the Valkery he traded in on this one, and I almost never see him riding it. My brothers bike had been back to the shop 6 times for either parts falling off, breaking, or just wouldnt start in the 1st 2 years he had it. My bike was back once 30 days after I bought it because of a bad fan. I guess the more you pay the more it needs repaired when you 1st get it. Have road a couple Sportsters, an 883, and a 1200. Didnt see anything speacial about them. The attitude mainly, then the reliabilty and cost are the reasons I'll probably never own one. Mainly the attitude of some!
 

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my buddy rides a sportster xl 1200, a decent little bike, but he blow all over the place(he is about 145 soaking wet) and his narrow ass has to stop and strech about every 45 minutes or so. He was gonna get a boulevard c90 like my old bike but was talked out of it by his harley buddies because i t wont hold value, I had to point out you dont buy a bike as an investment you buy it to ride. On a side note, that riding season i spent about $100 bucks on maintenance(wrench, filter, hondaclean, 2 oil changes), he spent about $1300 trying to have hd tech figure out why it was overheating and to this day it still overheats(not as much though) but at least its a harley,lol. Love the bikes hate the assclowns
 

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my buddy rides a sportster xl 1200, a decent little bike, but he blow all over the place(he is about 145 soaking wet) and his narrow ass has to stop and strech about every 45 minutes or so. He was gonna get a boulevard c90 like my old bike but was talked out of it by his harley buddies because i t wont hold value, I had to point out you dont buy a bike as an investment you buy it to ride. On a side note, that riding season i spent about $100 bucks on maintenance(wrench, filter, hondaclean, 2 oil changes), he spent about $1300 trying to have hd tech figure out why it was overheating and to this day it still overheats(not as much though) but at least its a harley,lol. Love the bikes hate the assclowns
I personally never liked the 'It won't hold value' argument either. It's a really, really silly argument honestly. At least when it comes to a luxury like a motorcycle.

I just can't imagine being so concerned with resale value that you'd compromise on price AND features, functionality and reliability to get it. Now; if you like the bike better that's great- just say that. But resale value is kinda silly. I guess I'm a little more apathetic to the issue because I tend to keep vehicles for several years, but even so.

Besides, it really don't hold water. You're spending thousands and thousands more- to save a few hundred? Even a couple grand? That just doesn't make much sense.

Granted, if you're the type that always buys new, and trades it in after a year or two, then maybe the HD is a better choice. But my mind still gravitates to; you'd be better off with the bike you REALLY want, and hanging on to it for a few years. (That is; assuming you'd prefer another bike but stuck with the HD because it held it's resale value thus making it a better financial decision, like some folks make it out to be).

They are fine bikes for sure. But I do get a kick out of the reasons people buy them, AND the reasons people buy metrics. I know a guy who won't buy a Harley, because he doesn't want people to think he's 'one of those' guys. What ever happened to just finding the bike that has the features you want, is priced right, is reliable, and fits well? Who cares what's on the tank. I work hard for my money, if some big company wants it they had better earn it by beating everyone else on the market. Last time it was the Kawasaki Vulcan 900, who knows who it will be next time! Adhering to any one brand allows the manufacturer to just be lazy, because you're suckered in and they don't have to do ANYTHING to impress you.
 

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HD is like Apple. Maybe it used to be great but not anymore. My buddy has 2006 HD Glide whatever which he bought it used for same money I bought my 900 new maybe even more. I tried it and didn't like it. It was to cramped for me. But he is a short dude so it works for him. But he struggles with its weight all the time(bike's). Anyways past weekends I installed new pippes and my bud goes:" Now you sound like a Harley". I was laughing so hard. I said:" I don't know what that suppose to mean". It is funny because he got aftermarket pippes on his bike as well. ;)
 

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so 12k for a dream bike and two weeks no helmet to ride it with, wait til Monday I'll tell him he jinxed the bike and it'll spend it's life on a trailer or in the shop.
OK, That's just mean!:D
Best post on a Harley thread yet!

Get him a couple of gremlin bells and tell him he's gotta hang em off the handle bars to keep the bad juju away.:p


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In 1995 I purchased my first bike, a '73 Honda CL350 for $100. The lady got it in the divorce agreement but didn't have the title. I paid $50 for a salvaged '73 CB350 frame and transfered all the peices. Complete bike for $150 and a little time. Once I got everything running I asked my wife if she would ever ride with me. Her comment was "Only if you ever own a Harley." I responded with a "guess your never riding with me then." Several bikes later she still has the same standing, she doesn't like riding, but will do it for a very short ride if it's a Harley.

When i bought my '07 900 LT new, I did look at getting a near equivilant HD. I was upgrading from a Vulcan 750. I liked the Vulcans and the test drives confirmed I liked the feel of the 900 over the simular HD's. In the end, I invested over $10k on my 900 with accessories and ended up with a better bike than a stock HD with less styling and no additional accessories that would have been 12K minimum.

Add in the perception that putting a non-HD labeled part on an HD is plasphamy. Just can't see myself paying near double for something just for a Logo. I prefer function over name. I don't care if it's a Kawi trunk or a cheaper knock off, if it serves the function (storage) then it's good enough, as long as it is not so cheap it starts bouncing down the highway next to me at some point.

I did get the arguement of "it holds it's value btter" last summer when talking to a co-worker. My responce was to open my wallet and ask, "how much are you asking for it?" He responded with "I'll never sell it." To which I responded, "then why does resale value even matter?" To this date I have not gotten any real answer.
 

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I used to own a Yamaha V-star 650 a couple years ago (nice motorcycle BTW). One day my neighbor and his buddy (both are HD owners) stop by and the guy asks me
- Why did you buy it? Why you did not buy an HD?
His face had an expression saying - Are you crazy?!! What did you do?!!!
Then my neighbor says - Yeah, I paid for mine over 14 grand 6 years ago and the value is still the same.
I din not even want to answer all their questions...
And guess what - a few days ago the neighbor comes to me and says
- I just found an add on Craigslist - the same bike as mine but two times cheaper!!!
Not to mention he takes his bike for a ride 3 - 4 times a year....

However, a friend of mine has an HD, but never says a word against other makes. He is always happy to go for a ride together, even when I had a smaller V-Star.
 

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"Several bikes later she still has the same standing, she doesn't like riding, but will do it for a very short ride if it's a Harley."

So,she STILL won't ride with you ?

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However his bike looked a little beat up.the main reason why i threw it out there was because i wanted to see what his response would be. My 12' vn900 classic se looked a hell of a lot nicer than his did as i take really good care of my bike.
Sweetie, that's called instigating. And, if he had half of a brain, he knew who was acting like a douche, don'tcha think?
 

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So,she STILL won't ride with you ?
Nope, she's never been on the bike with me. Doubt she ever will. She's an ER nurse and sees the aftermath when someone wrecks. She no longer illuminates my nights with tales of road rash and broken bones. She will not change my mind after 18 years of riding.
 

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I have seen both sides of this. I have two co-workers who both ride HDs... one of them is an elitist who believes my V900 is just "not a harley" and not worth talking about. He laments about having to even discuss bikes with me since I'm not "Riding American".

The other guy thinks above guy is a tool... and on that we agree. :)
 
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