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Snake River Yamaha here in Boise, ID only sells Yamaha/Star and, to be honest, was a little surprised that they've 10 Harley-Davidsons up for sale as trade-ins.

OTOH, my local dealer, Carl's Cycle Sales has the franchises for Kawasaki, Suzuki, Honda, KTM, Victory, and Polaris yet doesn't have any Harley-Davidsons as trade-ins.

Now, this is just one dealer, but does give me the initial impression that Harley-Davidson owners prefer Yamaha/Star to the other brands when they trade-in their bikes.

http://www.snakeriveryamaha.com/pre_owned_list.asp?newused=B&category=0&ModelYearFrom=1900&ModelYearThru=2016&PriceFrom=0&PriceThru=999999999&mfg=5&ModelSearch=&submit=GO
 

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Snake River Yamaha here in Boise, ID only sells Yamaha/Star and, to be honest, was a little surprised that they've 10 Harley-Davidsons up for sale as trade-ins.
you can find a dozen hardley sportsters at mos jap cycle shops in tejas. 883s are thro away bikes.
hardley would do a better job of keeping first time buyers if they would quit pushing that handicapped bike. folks tell you can fit it out to 1200 for lot$a bux. but it has a lower gear set and shakes too much.
Most new hardleyittes spend a fortune on krome and then take big loss on trade up (they never get the bigger sportster) or trade it in on a REAL bike at the jap store.
the few who pony up the diff and get the 1200 dont seem to mind it for a couple years b4 they go large. had both, big diff. hardley should quit cheating people out of the joy of riding a real bike with that 883. poncho
 

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Theres alot of them at my local indian dealer, ofcourse there's alot of harleys out there period, they're gonna end up somewhere when they are traded in, and the trade in value keeps their cost of a new bike down quite abit.....ride on....
 

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Or they got them at auction.

When you go to a Ford dealer, not every used car was a trade in. Some were purchased at auction to fulfill a market niche. Bikes are the same way.
that's what I was thinking too, he may sell them well so he gets more deliberately. Probably there's a lot more profit in the markup of a used Harley than a new Jap bike.
 

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Yeah, dealers trade a lot of inventory between one another and buy / sell a lot at auction.

I'm not surprised though. Yamaha/Star motorcycles are air-cooled big twins that have a lot of similar features to H-D. While many people see a two cylinder engine in a "V" configuration and say "It's an H-D knockoff!", you know, because it's a motorcycle with two cylinders and handlebars and stuff. The more observant will notice a more similar engine layout, V angle, air-cooling, pushrods, etc. Yamaha/Star V-Twins are more similar to the Harley offerings than they are to other metric offerings.

I mentioned this in another thread but I'm seeing, locally, the Honda Shadow becoming more and more of a replacement for the sportster. Not everyone can, or should, start off on a big twin (my local H-D dealer says during the summer, someone wrecks a brand new bike once every two weeks because "I can handle it dude I don't need a smaller bike to start with". And that's just the ones they see wrecked in their parking lot. I know I've been there and witnessed it twice on two separate occasions.) And the sportster has it's fans but it just isn't the bike it used to be. Well, actually it is; and that's kind of the problem. It's a 6 decade old design that has been virtually unchanged. Top heavy, tons of vibration, etc. Buying an old Harley is cool. Buying a 2015 model year old Harley is, well, not as cool. So riders are looking for a more 'refined' bike and smaller metrics fit the bill. I've seen a few Harley dealers now with used Honda Shadows in stock; traded in for HD models. And I have a sneaking suspicion an H-D dealer won't mind selling you a Shadow, because there really isn't anything from Honda to 'trade up' to. There's the sort of custom-chopper looking VTX line but that's not for everyone.

Heck, that was my wifes plan. She really wanted a Heritage Softail. Looked at a sportster. Sat on it and decided no. Confirmed that talking to several other smaller riders who said they owned and hated them. So she got the Shadow. Though she loves it, and even just a couple months ago I asked if she still wanted a Heritage and the response has been a wallet-rejoicing "Nah, not really, I really like my bike".
 

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WRT buying Harleys at auctions then reselling them, yes, that's SOP
these days due to high supply and reduced demand. Private sellers
are not getting many calls these days.

However, SRY claims in their ads that they're all trade-ins. There's
a dealer, J&J Motors in Ohio, which sells Honda, Kawasaki, Suzuki
and Yamaha yet has 100 used Harleys available that they got at
auctions.
 

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Last week I stopped by one of our locals HD dealer, I have been toying with the idea of a trike and have always liked the look and feel of a softail. I am in the process of looking for 1 step up from my 900 and my needs are simple. Wife wont get on the bike, so it is day trips for me - which the 900 does wonderfully. I guess I just have cc envy.

Dealer sees me pull up and as soon as I walk in he says - "Did you know we will give you a very good price for your metric". I decided a while ago it was unlikely that I would spend the cash needed for a softy and said nothing to him. Interesting is that I have been in the shop before and never did they pick me out with that come on. In the past they weren't really interested - hmmmm I think they have a lot of bike to sell.
 

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Last week I stopped by one of our locals HD dealer, I have been toying with the idea of a trike and have always liked the look and feel of a softail. I am in the process of looking for 1 step up from my 900 and my needs are simple. Wife wont get on the bike, so it is day trips for me - which the 900 does wonderfully. I guess I just have cc envy.

Dealer sees me pull up and as soon as I walk in he says - "Did you know we will give you a very good price for your metric". I decided a while ago it was unlikely that I would spend the cash needed for a softy and said nothing to him. Interesting is that I have been in the shop before and never did they pick me out with that come on. In the past they weren't really interested - hmmmm I think they have a lot of bike to sell.
spinster, them HD Tri-Glides are FLH electraglide and not Softails and they cost ruffly $30k new. You could Trike most any bike, I did my 07 lectraglide. wound up costing me $15k conversion because the dealer hosed it. the factory CSC, came to the rescue and completely rebuilt it for me, but at some cost.

there are kits that convert that v9 you have for reasonable. probably $7k?.. but you will still have 900cc is a bit on the shy side for power. Trikes are ok for 2 up. stable platform.. when I get a bit older I will do one of these kits to one of my sleds www.tiltingmotorworks.com poncho
 

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Poncho, Harley actually has 2 trikes now, the Tri Glide and the Free glide (stripped down with no sissy bar or fairing. Yesterday I road a Can Am Spider - was strange - a snowmobile on wheels.

I have a good friend who triked a new Goldwing cost him over $45K with the bike, at the end of the day she wont get on anyways - so I am happy to stay with my 2 wheels :)

Right now I am on a semi hunt for a Meanie - just want a little more juice.

Have a great weekend everyone...be safe.
 

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Given the price; if I was in a position where I couldn't ride on two wheels, I might even consider a Polaris Slingshot!



$20k or so depending on the options. Very open. Sure it's a car seating position, but I think it would be a lot of fun.
 

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Last week I stopped by one of our locals HD dealer, I have been toying with the idea of a trike and have always liked the look and feel of a softail. I am in the process of looking for 1 step up from my 900 and my needs are simple. Wife wont get on the bike, so it is day trips for me - which the 900 does wonderfully. I guess I just have cc envy.

Dealer sees me pull up and as soon as I walk in he says - "Did you know we will give you a very good price for your metric". I decided a while ago it was unlikely that I would spend the cash needed for a softy and said nothing to him. Interesting is that I have been in the shop before and never did they pick me out with that come on. In the past they weren't really interested - hmmmm I think they have a lot of bike to sell.
Well, a lot of the biker "fad" seems to be ending. Sons of Anarchy has ended it's run, and most f the people drawn to the sport for the "cool" value have been scared sufficiently. I met a guy that had been in an accident and broke his arm - he said, "That's it for this motorcycle stuff. I'm not gonna risk getting more seriously hurt". :confused: And, he was serious . . .

PLus, Harley has a ton more used bikes to sell than normal . . . the new Rushmore models have been selling like hot cakes. People with year-old touring bikes were trading up to Rushmore bikes just for the improvements (they really are pretty cool). So, now, there's a surplus of used bikes.
 

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It may be waning but it will never go away. You're always going to have those groups. And the group that wears the T-Shirts, has the special Harley edition F-150, has a "Harley Parking Only" sign in the garage, has never missed an episode of SoA (okay, I watched one episode of that to see the bikes but I didn't 'get it'), AND.... has never ridden a motorcycle in his life. (I used to have a neighbor like that).

In my area though that group doesn't seem to ditch the bikes. At least in my perception. They buy a nice shiny Harley and it sits in the garage, get's polished, maybe ridden around the neighborhood. But the fact that they own one makes them this big tough 'biker' in their minds. My wife had this tenant for a while who would come into her office all the time in his leather vest, and had the bar and shield stickers all over his car. One day I asked him what he rode and he told me, an older Softail. I told him he ought to join us for a ride sometime and then he says (and remember this is a guy who always comes in in his 'biker vest' with patches all over in no particular order and no back patch), "Well I haven't started it in a couple of years". Further pressing reveals he bought it several years ago and rode it a couple of times but it mostly just sits in the garage. But hey, he's a biker! And whatever, more power to him. It's a 'style' like any other. But I don't think that group will ever go away entirely.

Looking at used Harleys you can definitely tell there are "two kinds of bikers". Local Harley dealer that I bought my bikes from and we frequent has a huge selection of used H-D's. Some 10 year old bikes with 4,000 miles on them and some with 100k after 5 years. And of course the same is true on the metric side. Although, frankly, metrics are a bit less likely to be bought by someone just wanting to buy an image. So there's a LITTLE less of that.
 

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Hahaha, had a friend. Had gobs of harley t shirts. For years. Finally bought the nightster. We all teased him, that he had to buy a Harley, cause it would have cost a fortune to change his wardrobe
 

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Hahaha, had a friend. Had gobs of harley t shirts. For years. Finally bought the nightster. We all teased him, that he had to buy a Harley, cause it would have cost a fortune to change his wardrobe
LMFAO! I have a friend that has a Goldwing. That's plenty enough tease him about. LOL!
 

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I just bought my used Vulcan 500 three weeks ago or so. It is the 19th bike I have bought since 2008. None of the 19 was a Harley for several reasons, the main one being the price.

Buddy of mine had a Honda Shadow and bought a Harley wideglide or Lowrider, I forget which....We talk bikes all the time....The other day he said that it is time I buy a Harley, just so I can say "I had one." No way...I have no yen to have one....Nothing against Harley except when it comes to me...I dont' want one. I have found most HD riders to be great guys. The ones who are posers and wannabees spoil it for the rest of them..

If someone said that I could have any Harley on earth, custom, stock, whatever, free, and they agreed to pay the insurance and maintenance for life, providing I get rid of my other bikes and just ride the Harley, I'd say no way...

As I understand it, the new "Rushmore" water cooled engines only are set up to cool the heads, and not the entire engine block...Previously, some models were set up to shut off the rear cylinder when stopped for a redlight in order that the engine would not seize. All I can say to that is "what price vanity?"

End of rant,

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As I understand it, the new "Rushmore" water cooled engines only are set up to cool the heads, and not the entire engine block...
That is correct. And, not all of the touring bikes have that cooling junk - only the Ultra Limited, CVO Limited, and the Tri-Glide.

Previously, some models were set up to shut off the rear cylinder when stopped for a redlight in order that the engine would not seize. All I can say to that is "what price vanity?"
You, Sir, are completely wrong. This is how bad rumors get started . . . what you said is untrue on so many levels. LMAO!

What you're referring to is the EITMS - Engine Idle Temperature Management System. Believe me - that engine isn't going to seize from idling. EITMS can be enabled or disabled by the rider, at any time. It cuts off fuel to the rear cylinder, basically making it an air pump, and that reduces the temperature of the engine. Before it activates, the bike has to be at idle, not moving, and out of gear, and reach a certain temperature.

It's a comfort thing - nothing to do with seizing the engine. Who told you that? :D
 
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