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I started riding last year and wore a full face, modular, helmet all the time but now that I'm more comfortable riding and it is hot I have started wearing just a half helmet. I'm kind of torn on the subject. I have gotten used to the half helmet and it is so much more comfortable riding and storing while I'm out. However, I do feel safer with the full face on that if something happened I am giving myself the best chance not to have a traumatic brain injury but it burns me up in the heat, in 95+ in traffic I have even started feeling a little dizzy from the heat. I do wear boots and jeans, not that jeans would do much, but I don't wear my leather jacket or gloves once it gets hot. I've thought about trying to find a warm weather jacket that doesn't cost a fortune but even then it is so much more comfortable riding in a tshirt. I know that AGATT is the safest way to go but comfort has to factor in too so I'm curious how everyone balances safety vs comfort? Do you think a half helmet would do much at all to protect you if you were in an accident?
 

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A half helmet is surely better than no helmet. They work. They obviously don't project what they don't cover and full face helmets do have the advantage of more surface area to spread out the impact. But it's all risk/reward. Getting on a motorcycle, even with gear, is dangerous.

I've never felt that hot in my full face. Do you ride with the visor open? I ride with my visor and vents open and feel plenty cool. A breathable mesh jacket or even a lightweight long sleeve shirt will actually keep you cool at higher temps than short sleeves. Protection or not, not having your skin covered when it's 95+ accelerates dehydration and actually heats your body up. Covering your skin with light, breathable garments or with breathable motorcycle gear will keep your body temp cooler.
 

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Are we talking half helmets, or open face helmets? There is a big difference in the protection they provide. I always wear gloves, light ones in summer, heavy ones in cold weather. I wear a leather jacket in cool weather, a mesh jacket until it gets just too hot, then I go in my shirt sleeves. The jacket would be better, but I would probably get run over if I passed out from the heat, so what can you do?
 

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I look at the stats. almost half of injuries to the head in motorcycle accidents are to the jaw and lower face...Thus a full helmet that protects the chin is a must for me...
Even a 3/4 helmet is scary to me.
 

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Yes, I agree that the full face is safer. A good friend went down a couple weeks ago destroying the "front" of his full face helmet and breaking a collar bone. I always ride with a full face with the visor up this time of year, also with safety glasses and a windshield. I also wear a mesh jacket and armored jeans. Sure 100 degrees is hot but I'm safer than with just a t-shirt and small helmet.
 

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Yes, I agree that the full face is safer. A good friend went down a couple weeks ago destroying the "front" of his full face helmet and breaking a collar bone. I always ride with a full face with the visor up this time of year, also with safety glasses and a windshield. I also wear a mesh jacket and armored jeans. Sure 100 degrees is hot but I'm safer than with just a t-shirt and small helmet.
Very smart man....good for you.
 

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A half helmet is surely better than no helmet. They work. They obviously don't project what they don't cover and full face helmets do have the advantage of more surface area to spread out the impact. But it's all risk/reward. Getting on a motorcycle, even with gear, is dangerous.

I've never felt that hot in my full face. Do you ride with the visor open? I ride with my visor and vents open and feel plenty cool. A breathable mesh jacket or even a lightweight long sleeve shirt will actually keep you cool at higher temps than short sleeves. Protection or not, not having your skin covered when it's 95+ accelerates dehydration and actually heats your body up. Covering your skin with light, breathable garments or with breathable motorcycle gear will keep your body temp cooler.
I second this, I ride at 110 degrees + in AZ / Sonora Mx. with full face helmet and textile jacket and it does get hot, but its part of my safety gear, there is the rider that wants to look good and the rider that wants to be protected I want to be protected


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As I have heard it said many times, I would rather sweat than bleed.
 

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A half helmet is surely better than no helmet. They work. They obviously don't project what they don't cover and full face helmets do have the advantage of more surface area to spread out the impact. But it's all risk/reward. Getting on a motorcycle, even with gear, is dangerous.

I've never felt that hot in my full face. Do you ride with the visor open? I ride with my visor and vents open and feel plenty cool. A breathable mesh jacket or even a lightweight long sleeve shirt will actually keep you cool at higher temps than short sleeves. Protection or not, not having your skin covered when it's 95+ accelerates dehydration and actually heats your body up. Covering your skin with light, breathable garments or with breathable motorcycle gear will keep your body temp cooler.
I keep the visor open as much as possible but once I get going over about 50mph it is like it jet streams the wind into my eyes, and I still wear riding glasses under it, so I close it vs with the half I just keep my riding glasses pushed in and it keeps the wind out of my eyes. It is modular so when I get hot I'll flip it up but again once I get some speed the wind starts catching it so it gets closed.

I used to use a bike chain to secure my modular helmet, I overspent on it so I'm afraid of it getting stolen, to my old bike when I was somewhere like the casino and didn't want to tote it around but the half fits right in my hard saddlebags on my vaquero so I'm finding more and more reasons to wear the half but there is that little voice inside that says hey dummy wear your full face.

I believe you on the dehydration as even in moderate temps I am constantly thirsty when I ride.
 

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I look at the stats. almost half of injuries to the head in motorcycle accidents are to the jaw and lower face...Thus a full helmet that protects the chin is a must for me...
Even a 3/4 helmet is scary to me.
When I did my rider course they had us look at helmets that had been in wrecks and I think the point was to show how much damage was absorbed in the face to encourage full face helmets. And I'm pretty sure that is where that little voice in my head that says hey dummy wear your full face is coming from.
 

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I keep the visor open as much as possible but once I get going over about 50mph it is like it jet streams the wind into my eyes, and I still wear riding glasses under it, so I close it vs with the half I just keep my riding glasses pushed in and it keeps the wind out of my eyes. It is modular so when I get hot I'll flip it up but again once I get some speed the wind starts catching it so it gets closed.

I used to use a bike chain to secure my modular helmet, I overspent on it so I'm afraid of it getting stolen, to my old bike when I was somewhere like the casino and didn't want to tote it around but the half fits right in my hard saddlebags on my vaquero so I'm finding more and more reasons to wear the half but there is that little voice inside that says hey dummy wear your full face.

I believe you on the dehydration as even in moderate temps I am constantly thirsty when I ride.
Get yourself some tinted safety glasses. They'll slide right into your full face comfortably, provide ample eye protection, and keep the wind from blasting your eyeballs. I wouldn't be able to wear my FF either if I had to keep the visor closed. I do have a tall windshield too, which helps.
 

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Having lived and ridden in hot climates, humid climates, and hot-and-humid climates, I've come to the firm conclusion that it really is the humidity (for those still confused, in a dry climate, increased airflow makes you feels somewhat cooler, whereas in a humid climate it just redistributes your sweat, but in a hot-and-humid climate, you just become increasingly perspiration-soaked until you are able to belly-crawl into an air-conditioned environment).

In any event, having completed my official inventory, I have discovered that, if push came to shove, I can survive with a missing toe or two, a missing finger or two, a missing bit of skin, and maybe even few few broken bones, but what I absolutely cannot afford to have happen is a significant injury to, or departure of, what resides from my neck up. Hence, no matter what the weather, while I will ride in shirtsleeves and shorts, I never ride without a full-face/modular helmet covering and protecting my utterly beautiful mug and its contents.

Funny story (at least to me), had a Hardley driver pull up next to to me not too long ago who pointed at my shorts and then his jeans, as if there was some sort of real difference, to which I pointed to my helmet-covered noggin and then his helmet-less (possibly empty) head. As soon as the light turned green, he left in something of a huff.
 

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I don't like to wear shorts because of bugs, pebbles, and hot pipes. BUT, anyone who thinks a regular pair of blue jeans is protection in a crash is kidding themselves. Heck, a couple years ago I scraped my knee in a parking lot, wearing jeans, when I slipped on some ice. So a less than 1mph "crash" and I had "road rash". I'm not knocking your decision; on the contrary; I think this guy had a false sense of security.

And there again, lines in the sand. He drew his at shorts, but apparently, not a good helmet!
 

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I wear a full face helmet, leather jacket, gloves, etc. and as long as I'm moving, it's no problem. Most of my riding is done at moderate speed on the highway, if I'm moping around on city streets, it gets hot but not unbearable. I've been through a couple of spills, and they have a way of convincing you.
 

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As I have heard it said many times, I would rather sweat than bleed.
+1 to that! I ride ATGATT.

Full face helmets involve a trade-off. Some have good ventilation, but are very noisy, others are quiet, but poor ventilation. I just went from an HJC IS-BT to an IS-Max 2 after I damaged the first one in an accident. The BT was much cooler, but MUCH louder. I have to ride with the visor cracked most of the time with the Max 2.

If you pay enough, you can get a quieter helmet with good air flow like the Shoe RF 1200 (not modular, though) that I used to have. For modular, a Schuberth C3 Pro ($750 - $800) is supposed to be both exceptionally quiet and have excellent air flow. Too many $$$$ for my wallet, sheesh!

If you are overheating to the point you are getting dizzy, you may not be hydrating enough.
 

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I wear a full faced helmet 99.9% percent of the time. I have a half and a 3/4 helmet collecting dust. When I first started riding again a few years ago I asked an experienced rider what the difference wearing a half helmet verses a full faced helmet? He said the difference was an "open coffin or a closed coffin"!


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Reading this, I am thinking I should go out and get a nice, good quality, rated, full face helmet. I have one, but I don't wear it. It is summer in Arizona and that means no jacket and no gloves, but never no helmet. I know I am being pretty stupid when I wear a half helmet, but not nearly as stupid as all the far too many who wear no helmet at all, just because it is legal.

In any case, riding in the desert in the summer can really dry out the eyes.
 

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Wear a 3/4 Shoei, most comfortable helmet I've ever worn, love it but know its not the safest. Mesh jacket all the time, draggin jeans, very comfortable, warm or cold, only other weakness is wearing fingerless gloves, cool in summer, probably not so cool sliding down the pavement.
 

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I'm in central fl and between the heat and humidity I get how uncomfortable it can be to ride in a jacket and ff helmet but I do it anyway. Had a buddy go down on a curve around 25 mph and although it didn't wreck his helmet too much had he not been wearing it he would have surely broken his jaw. I look at it this way, deal with the sweat or deal with the skin loss. Personally I'd rather sweat a bit than have to go through skin grafts and then some.
 
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