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Aussies also had the "guts" to force their populace to turn-in their guns in order to have a crime-free society. How's that working out for them?:(
 

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People have been doing stupid stuff while driving, since vehicles were invented. I don't disagree that texting is worse than talking, but I do think that the nanny state is far beyond manageable as it is and that outlawing yet more things, for the smaller and busier police forces of today to enforce, is going to do anything of significance.

Reckless driving is already illegal in most, if not all states. Reckless driving is easier to spot and sustain in court, instead of having the cop see a phone inside a vehicle.... Make that work and make the penalties sufficiently severe that more of the idiots can be removed from the roads. But, you won't see that. The Politicians don't have the guts to do real penalties for "minor" infractions. Heck, the police can't patrol enough to even keep drunk drivers off the road, so how is another law gonna make a difference?

Sorry Ponch, but I can't agree with this one. I see a ton of idiot drivers in the metro Detroit area, every time I go out. I don't see much in the way of traffic enforcement, other than the few small town speed traps that everyone knows about.
 

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People have been doing stupid stuff while driving, since vehicles were invented. I don't disagree that texting is worse than talking, but I do think that the nanny state is far beyond manageable as it is and that outlawing yet more things, for the smaller and busier police forces of today to enforce, is going to do anything of significance.

Reckless driving is already illegal in most, if not all states. Reckless driving is easier to spot and sustain in court, instead of having the cop see a phone inside a vehicle.... Make that work and make the penalties sufficiently severe that more of the idiots can be removed from the roads. But, you won't see that. The Politicians don't have the guts to do real penalties for "minor" infractions. Heck, the police can't patrol enough to even keep drunk drivers off the road, so how is another law gonna make a difference?

Sorry Ponch, but I can't agree with this one. I see a ton of idiot drivers in the metro Detroit area, every time I go out. I don't see much in the way of traffic enforcement, other than the few small town speed traps that everyone knows about.
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Idiots will always outnumber us. Laws can't turn them into responsible drivers. And this will not change as long as people think the government can solve all our problems and keep us safe. And people will continue thinking that way as long as the government controls public education.
 

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Aussies also had the "guts" to force their populace to turn-in their guns in order to have a crime-free society. How's that working out for them?:(
And Ponch thinks he pissed off some people ... here we go ...

A hell of a lot better than the good ole US of A ... 1997 figures per 100,000 http://www.allcountries.org/gun_deaths_by_country.html

Deaths involving firearms, per 100,000 persons, by country (1997)

3.05 per 100,000 vs 14.05 per 100,000 speaks for itself doesn't it. ... just because you may think its necessary and your right to have one, does not contravene my right not to.

BTW ... nobody was forced to do anything, but the Government did do a "buy back" and like in the US , some weapons are limited / banned.

Don t believe gun restrictions work ... look at the numbers for say ... Japan, and i hear they are really big John Wayne fans.


BTW2 .. only 15.5 per 100,000 die in the US in motor vehicle deaths, 1999 figures, you have just as much chance of dieing by a fire arm , as you do by a motor vehicle ... wonder how thats working out for you. http://www.nationmaster.com/graph/hea_mot_veh_dea-health-motor-vehicle-deaths



Country

Total
homicide
Homicide
involving
firearms

Total
suicide
Suicide
involving
firearms Accidental
death
involving
firearms Total (a)
death
involving
firearms
Argentina (b) 3.83 1.50 .. .. .. ..
Australia 2.40 0.56 12.77 2.38 0.11 3.05
Austria 2.14 0.53 .. c c c
Belarus 9.86 27.26 0.23 .. d d
Belgium 3.87 .. .. .. .. ..
Brazil 29.17 25.78 0.63 0.44 0.75 26.97
Burkina Faso 0.04 .. 0.95 0.14 0.05 ..
Canada 1.99 0.60 12.88 3.35 0.13 4.08
China .. c c c c c
Costa Rica 5.52 2.57 6.54 1.61 0.29 4.47
Czech Republic 2.80 0.92 9.88 1.01 0.07 2.00
Denmark .. d d d d d
Ecuador .. c c c c c
Estonia 22.11 6.12 39.99 3.63 0.40 10.15
Finland 3.25 0.87 27.28 5.78 0.12 6.77
Germany 1.81 0.21 15.80 1.23 0.03 1.47
Greece 1.33 0.55 3.54 1.30 0.02 1.87
Guinea 0.34 0.03 .. d d d
Hungary 4.07 0.47 33.34 0.88 .. ..
India 9.76 0.06 0.26 .. d d
Jamaica 31.60 18.23 1.46 0.36 0.12 18.72
Japan 0.60 0.03 17.95 0.04 0.01 0.07
Luxembourg .. .. .. .. .. ..
Malaysia 2.13 0.20 1.83 0.00 0.08 0.29
Mexico .. c c c c c
New Zealand 1.35 0.22 13.81 2.45 0.29 2.97
Papua New Guinea .. .. .. .. .. ..
Peru 1.41 1.06 0.42 0.10 0.02 1.18
Philippines 16.89 3.61 .. d d d
Poland 2.61 0.27 14.23 0.16 0.01 0.44
Republic of Moldova 17.06 0.63 .. .. .. ..
Romania 4.32 0.12 .. d d d
Russian Federation .. .. .. .. .. ..
Singapore 1.62 -- 9.89 .. .. ..
Slovakia 2.38 0.36 13.24 0.58 .. ..
South Africa 64.64 26.63 .. .. .. ..
Spain 1.58 0.19 5.92 0.55 0.26 1.01
Sweden 1.35 0.31 15.65 1.95 0.05 2.31
Trinidad and Tobago 9.48 3.42 8.08 0.08 0.54 4.04
Tunisia 0.02 -- .. c c c
Uganda .. .. .. .. .. ..
United Kingdom 1.40 0.13 7.55 0.33 0.02 0.57
United Republic of Tanzania 7.42 0.50 0.88 0.02 0.02 0.53
United States 8.95 6.24 11.54 7.23 0.58 14.05
Viet Nam 0.77 0.12 0.02 0.04 0.18 c
Zambia 10.74 5.37 0.68 0.15 0.02 5.54
States providing figures 36 33 28 28 27 23
Minimum figure 0.04 -- 0.42 0.005 -- 0.07
Maximum figure 64.64 26.63 39.99 7.23 0.75 26.97
Average figure 7.86 3.28 11.56 1.28 0.17 4.90
Note: Figures are for the latest year reported. The years differ, depending on the State and on the type of death. The data are "as reported" in the survey. There are often differences in the way in which States compile statistics. International comparisons should therefore be made with caution.

a The total may include figures for different years.

b Figures are for Buenos Aires only (population: approximately 3 million).

c No response.

d Not reasonably available (i.e. cannot be obtained with reasonable effort).
 

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Why is the suicide rate in both Australia and Canada higher than in the USA? Nothing much to live for?:D

Also, I realize that the Japanese don't kill each other- They are much too busy killing themselves!
 

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Why is the suicide rate in both Australia and Canada higher than in the USA? Nothing much to live for?:D

Also, I realize that the Japanese don't kill each other- They are much too busy killing themselves!
Obviously us Aussies have more to live for than those in the US ... In japan, they kill themselves more than each other ... go figure, In Canada, we can't buy a gun to do the job, the other 7,02 per 100,000 have to figure out another way to do the job.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_suicide_rate
 
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