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Yesterday i went to the Toronto Motorcycle Show, I am happy with my bike but i enjoy looking around. I came accross a Victory "Cross Country" and really liked this bike. There was a moment there where i could have quite easliy "pulled the trigger" , traded my 2 bikes and bought the bike there and then.

The pricing at the show was agressive, the bike in blue under the lights just gleamed, looked really sharp and seemed to be calling my name out LOUD.

The problem was simple ..... no salespeople, where were they, drinking coffee, talking to each other, 2 were talking to customers, the other 4 were not interested. I was there for about 15 minutes looking at both this bike and the Victory Vision Tour, i was not climbing on the bikes as i like to ask first, had to get my own brochure and educate myself about the bikes. I left and continued looking around with my buddy.

My buddy has an FJR and is looking to get into the Cruiser Areana as well. We were at the Suzuki display and a C90 caught his eye. He actually got on the bike and tried the seating position out when we were approched by a sales person to whom we had questions.

The questions were basic questions in regards to different models the C90 model range and should of been known by this person, when asked a question he woulld have to run over and ask somebody else and come back and give us the answer, this happened at least 5 times, while we realise he was just "helping out" we still did not get help from a more knowledgable sales person who was still standing at the display counter once again, drinking coffee. ( in fairness, this display was a little busier and most of the salespeople were dealing with customers)

At the Kawasaki display there was no Classic LT or the new/not so new classic with white walls, the new Vaquero was there in red (the color looks better in the flesh) and the sales people were more attentive.

While i realise this is a bike show and there are a lot of tire kickers, the lack of attentive sales people who are able to ...

1..... qualify prospective purchaser's
2..... show interest in selling
3..... have some form of product knowledge
4..... do the job that they are paid to do.

This industry is in turmoil at this current time, bike sales, new and used have taken a huge hit, yet the "Mom and Pop" sales mentallity still exists ... even in the larger dealerships. Both my buddy and i could very easily pulled the trigger on bikes last night and had the financial means to do so. ... Oh well.

I came home last night, walked into my garage, lifted the cover on my "9" , patted her on the batwing and said sorry for almost being unfaithfull.

Just my rant for the day ......... but that Victory Cross Country sure was a niice looking bike ....:(
 

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Wow, that's not saying much for those folks. Surely they weren't burned out already, at the beginning of the show! :rolleyes:

I'm going to the Int. Bike show here in Detroit this afternoon. The Victory is one of my main targets. My riding buddy just got a used Victory Hammer, that I've not seen yet. He had a 2007 sportster and says the Victory is twice that bike, easily. Well, going from a sportster to a true cruiser, I guess would be a big deal to him, cuz he didn't want to give me back my 900 when we switched bikes one day. :p

I also want to look at the new Vulcans and Honda. I'm thinking that I'd like to have a touring bike and keep my 900 for cruising. Best of both worlds? Seems so to me.
 

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Wow, that's not saying much for those folks. Surely they weren't burned out already, at the beginning of the show! :rolleyes:

I'm going to the Int. Bike show here in Detroit this afternoon. The Victory is one of my main targets. My riding buddy just got a used Victory Hammer, that I've not seen yet. He had a 2007 sportster and says the Victory is twice that bike, easily. Well, going from a sportster to a true cruiser, I guess would be a big deal to him, cuz he didn't want to give me back my 900 when we switched bikes one day. :p

I also want to look at the new Vulcans and Honda. I'm thinking that I'd like to have a touring bike and keep my 900 for cruising. Best of both worlds? Seems so to me.
Enjoy the day Kerry, they sure are sweet bikes.
 

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Enjoy the day Kerry, they sure are sweet bikes.
Thanks, I hope to have a great time. Never been to a bike show before. But, I'll be one of the tire-kickers. :D Not ready to buy yet. I want to do a lot more research a make a careful selection, because my next one will likely be my last "motorcycle".

I hope to ride 2 wheels into the next decade, into my 70s, then when I'm 75 or so, I'll build a trike! :p
 

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Kerry, where is the bike show located. Nothing to do today, might be a nice day for a ride to the city. Too cold to do much else.
 

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Kerry, where is the bike show located. Nothing to do today, might be a nice day for a ride to the city. Too cold to do much else.
It's at the Rock Financial complex in Novi. Whiting gave you the main link, but you might want to look at this post and grab the discount code to buy a ticket on line.

I'll be there some time this afternoon and again tomorrow.

That's quite a trek, coming down from Bad Axe. I live near the I-696 and I-94 interchange, so it's not much of a deal for me, basically run 696 west into their parking lot. :)

If you're inclined, we should do some riding this summer. I used to live in Marysville and really enjoy coming up into the thumb.
 

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I went to the International Motorcycle Show here in Seattle in early December, and while I did the entire show, I did slow down and spend a great deal of time in the Victory display, and, to a lesser degree, Kawasaki and Yamaha (Triumph, unfortunately and inexplicably, wasn't present at the show, though they had a presence (like the other manufacturers in attendence) in the show guide/mag), with probably the most time spent at the Victory display...there's just something about those Victories... Anyway, had someone at both the Kawasaki and Yamaha displays approach me and ask if they could help, but not a single salesman at the Victory dealership did. I wasn't close to pulling the trigger on any of them (though there was a orange model there that really spoke to me), but, hell, they don't know that, and I certainly spent enough time on their models to suggest I was interested in one (and, who knows, maybe they could have talked me into taking that orange one home). So my experience seems to have echoed yours.

On a related matter, I told the Kawasaki rep that I was disappointed about the cancellation of the Mean Streak 1600 model since it was a great option for those of us who want a bigger Vulcan but don't want the touring look and options, and she said, "Yeah, I've been getting that a lot today."

EDIT: Here's the Victory I mention above. Man, I loved that bike.

 

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Kerry: thanks for the info, it's about 2 hours from Bad Axe to Novi, so that's not too bad. I would like to do some riding if you make it up here. It's a beautiful ride around the lakeshore as we are in a penisula surrounded by water. I have always wanted to take the circle tour around the whole state by haven't done it yet. I'm not big on slab riding so I take the backroads as much as I can all the time. Stay warm.
 

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Whiting57 just what kind of deal was on the cross country? No show here in Houston and just wondering what is being offered. I too really like that bike but the 2 two tone white has got my attention. The blue was my 1st choice but I sat on a white over the holidays and it's sweet. I will say at the dealership I was asking what drive out price would be and it tfrom the salesman to the sales manager and finally some other guy came over and gave me list price with taxes. They really did not want to deal and I was ready to pull the trigger but they did not offer anything off the price or accessories discount.
 

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Kerry: thanks for the info, it's about 2 hours from Bad Axe to Novi, so that's not too bad. I would like to do some riding if you make it up here. It's a beautiful ride around the lakeshore as we are in a penisula surrounded by water. I have always wanted to take the circle tour around the whole state by haven't done it yet. I'm not big on slab riding so I take the backroads as much as I can all the time. Stay warm.
You're welcome. If you're coming down, maybe I'll run into you there. I just finished shoveling snow and have to lay down for a while. Then, if I am feeling okay, I'll be heading out there. I plan to go tomorrow too. :p I'll shoot you a PM with my cell number. If we don't hook up at the show, ( I'll probably be at either the Victory or Kawasaki booths, the guy with the drool in his gray beard.... :pig: ) I definitely want to stay in touch and do a thumb run when the weather is good.
 

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Whiting57 just what kind of deal was on the cross country? No show here in Houston and just wondering what is being offered. I too really like that bike but the 2 two tone white has got my attention. The blue was my 1st choice but I sat on a white over the holidays and it's sweet. I will say at the dealership I was asking what drive out price would be and it tfrom the salesman to the sales manager and finally some other guy came over and gave me list price with taxes. They really did not want to deal and I was ready to pull the trigger but they did not offer anything off the price or accessories discount.
$20,600 CDN, i never got to find out the pdi, frt charges etc, what really bugs me is that this was a dealer (not a manufacturer) show and it was in their interest to sell me a bike.:(
 

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whitings57 wow what a shock you trading in your 9 would break my heart i have the pic mou posted on the "new guy / pulling trailer" thread as my wall paper at least untill I get my Piggy Backer finished and pics of my own to replace it
 

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my next one will likely be my last "motorcycle".
k'man, yeah right. like thats gonna happen. A shiney new bike is like a naked woman, if you cant say NO to one you cant say no to any. theys everywhere!':$
 

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whitings57 wow what a shock you trading in your 9 would break my heart i have the pic mou posted on the "new guy / pulling trailer" thread as my wall paper at least untill I get my Piggy Backer finished and pics of my own to replace it
Ponch is right, they are like a new naked women,the grass is always fresher on the other side of the street. I came to my senses when i got home, had i pulled the trigger, i would have kept the trailer and repainted the top and fenders, that was the thinking anyway.

That Cross Country sure was seductive though, sleek......... shiney............big jugs ... wow, what a nice ride.

I am going to keeo what i have, I am not unhappy with the 9 :), there is some thing about those Victoys that i like.
 

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The shows are made up of a combination of manufacturers and local dealers. Yesterday I went to the Detroit show and several manufacturers were not there. Triumph, BMW, Ducati, and Victory were not in the show. There were two Victory dealers that had great displays and prices seemed fair.

When you deal with the manufacturer reps they are willing to tell you all about the products but not sell them. The dealers however are interested in a sale. My brother and I went last year and he was ready to pull the trigger on either a Harley Ultra Classic or a Vulcan Voyager. Nobody called him back on the Kawasaki inquiry, but the Harley folks did, repeatedly. He has a Harley now but still kept his 900 Custom for shorter rides. He gave the Kawasaki folks an earful yesterday at the show for their lack of interest in selling bikes.
 

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In Toronto they have several shows per year, the Manufactors show is in early december, the Dealers show is in early january, good for him giving thema earfull, i just dont get the lack of attentativness.
 

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$20,600 CDN, i never got to find out the pdi, frt charges etc, what really bugs me is that this was a dealer (not a manufacturer) show and it was in their interest to sell me a bike.:(
Well, FWIW, the Detroit show is a dealer show, not a manufacturer show like I thought it was. :( Quite a disappointment for me. The Kawi area was probably the best or at least equal to the best there. The Kawi guys were hungry, jumped on me fairly quickly and offered me a deal that I almost couldn't refuse, 12k for a 2010 v2k Classic. :p Man, I was really drooling over several of the new 1700s. In the end, I liked the looks of the Kawi decked out cruisers as well as any bike there. The Voyagers are beautiful, but so are the Vaquero and even the Nomads and Classics. I could be very happy with any one of those bikes.

The Victory booth was pretty small. It was a small dealer from the middle of the state, MI. He had maybe 10 bikes there, including an orange one like pictured on the first page. But, if you're wanting a deal, you should swing down here today. He's willing to dicker on the prices. The only problem is that he says that Victory doesn't give them much room to dicker. He claims that there is only a 12% markup and the best he can do is about 5-6% off. I have his card, so if you're interested in calling him, I can give you the info.

For me, the Victory line isn't giving me the hots anymore. They are beautiful bikes, but I sat on several of them, including a Vision. Not comfortable for me. At the very least, I'd need new seat and handlebars and/or risers. He had 2 different handlebar and riser combos there and I didn't like either one. :( Compared to any of the 1700 Kawis, which were all a better fit for me with the stock set-ups for seating position, I was not impressed with the Victory offerings. For that matter, I liked a couple of the Star cruisers that I saw there.

Harley had some beautiful bikes and I could easily fit on one of them, but I didn't like the prices when compared to Kawi, Star and Victory.

Honda was a big disappointment to me. I liked their chopper clone, thought it was interesting, but they stopped making the VTX line of cruisers. 2010 was the last year for those. :mad: So, I don't see a Honda in my future unless I get a used bike.

Now, compared to your experience that you relate in your OP, my experience was just the opposite. Every new area that I entered, I soon had a salesman approach me and talk to me about buying a bike. The Kawi guy was REALLY wanting to sell me a bike, offering financing, best price, etc. The Victory dealer talked with me, off and on, for about 25 minutes. Even the Harley dealer had a salesman approach me not long after I started browsing.

So, my experience with the dealers was a LOT more positive than yours was.
 

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k'man, yeah right. like thats gonna happen. A shiney new bike is like a naked woman, if you cant say NO to one you cant say no to any. theys everywhere!':$
Yeah, I think you're right about that! :D If I had the money, I'd have at least 30 or 40 bikes sitting in a big heated garage right now! :p

Unfortunately, money doesn't change much with the aging process. :mad: At 75 or so, I'll be lucky if I can ride a trike, but that's what I figure I'll be wanting to do. :cool:
 

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Good to see you had a positive experience down there, i decided to keep what i have, kinda like trading in a good 40 year old wife for 2 twenty year olds if you know what i mean.
 
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