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Unhappy The end of Victory and how it could effect Vulcan

I was a bit shocked and disappointed to learn that Polaris was writing the final chapter for Victory motorcycles this week. Don't get me wrong I love my 09 Vulcan Nomad and have enjoyed it for 7 years and over 60,000 miles now but I will be looking for my next bike in another year or so and I am hoping Kawasaki will have a updated touring cruiser (a Vulcan 1800 if you will) by then but honestly with the demise of another competitor in the market I am not optimistic that will be happening anytime soon. Now that Kawasaki offers the only full sized touring cruiser for under $20,000 it essentially has no peers within it's price range and IMO gives Kawi even less motivation to do some much needed updates/refinements to the 1700 line which is unfortunate cause I will probably be buying my first bike that isn't a Kawasaki if that is the case.

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Losing Victory and the pressure that an American motorcycle company put on the market does suck.

But, unless you're talking about full dressers; lots of mfgs have full sized touring cruisers on the market for under $20k.
And some of them are arguably a much better value for the dollar than the Kawi's.

Suzuki has the Boulevard C90T, Yamaha has the V-star 1300 Deluxe (for $15k you get a fairing, blutooth and navigation)

My favorites are from Triumph. The Thunderbird is a twin if that's the kind of powerplant you like and the Rocket III Touring is more comfortable than the Road King and faster than the V-rod.
Both priced under $20k at $17k & $17.5k respectively.

Heck even the boutique brand has the Road King starting at $18,900.

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Damn, if triumph made one with hard bags and a fairing I would be in. Really good looking bikes.


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Losing Victory and the pressure that an American motorcycle company put on the market does suck.

But, unless you're talking about full dressers; lots of mfgs have full sized touring cruisers on the market for under $20k.
And some of them are arguably a much better value for the dollar than the Kawi's.

Suzuki has the Boulevard C90T, Yamaha has the V-star 1300 Deluxe (for $15k you get a fairing, blutooth and navigation)

My favorites are from Triumph. The Thunderbird is a twin if that's the kind of powerplant you like and the Rocket III Touring is more comfortable than the Road King and faster than the V-rod.
Both priced under $20k at $17k & $17.5k respectively.

Heck even the boutique brand has the Road King starting at $18,900.
So I went to each mfg's web site on the bikes you listed, and the only one which I really count as a dresser is the Yammy. At $15,500 starting price, it ain't bad, and while it's got nav and a slightly lower price, the Kawi Vaq or Voyager beats it in all other categories.

Engine, power, saddlebag size, instrumentation and fairing, all in the Kawi's favor.

Despite its less-refined bits and lack of updates (other than new colors each year), the Kawi is a solid value proposal.

Yes, I'm somewhat biased, since I really like my Vaq.

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So I went to each mfg's web site on the bikes you listed, and the only one which I really count as a dresser is the Yammy. At $15,500 starting price, it ain't bad, and while it's got nav and a slightly lower price, the Kawi Vaq or Voyager beats it in all other categories.

Engine, power, saddlebag size, instrumentation and fairing, all in the Kawi's favor.

Despite its less-refined bits and lack of updates (other than new colors each year), the Kawi is a solid value proposal.

Yes, I'm somewhat biased, since I really like my Vaq.

-John
The OP was discussing a "full sized touring cruiser for under $20,000". All of the bikes I listed meet that criteria.

I agree; they aren't full dressers; as I DID note in my second sentence.

I also agree with the fact that Kawi's are a good value. But, they haven't done anything to their cruiser line but shrink it in nearly 10 years.

So, either they're going to come out with something updated like matt7even is hoping for or they're going to continue to lose customers looking to buy new cruisers.

I think the only two cruiser lines that have seen growth of sales the last couple of years are Indian & Triumph.
I really hope the Japanese stay in the market because they set the standard for dependability; but it's pretty easy to see that all four of the Japanese brands are putting a LOT more money and design into sport and standard bikes.

Anyway, if Matt was looking for a dresser; they're getting harder & harder to find at any price point.

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I agree. I wish the Yamaha VStar 1300 Deluxe had a frame mounted fairing, fuel gauge along with other instrument gauges and nice stereo. I like the size, seat height and weight of the bike.

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So I went to each mfg's web site on the bikes you listed, and the only one which I really count as a dresser is the Yammy. At $15,500 starting price, it ain't bad, and while it's got nav and a slightly lower price, the Kawi Vaq or Voyager beats it in all other categories.

Engine, power, saddlebag size, instrumentation and fairing, all in the Kawi's favor.

Despite its less-refined bits and lack of updates (other than new colors each year), the Kawi is a solid value proposal.

Yes, I'm somewhat biased, since I really like my Vaq.

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Losing Victory and the pressure that an American motorcycle company put on the market does suck.

But, unless you're talking about full dressers; lots of mfgs have full sized touring cruisers on the market for under $20k.
And some of them are arguably a much better value for the dollar than the Kawi's.

Suzuki has the Boulevard C90T, Yamaha has the V-star 1300 Deluxe (for $15k you get a fairing, blutooth and navigation)

My favorites are from Triumph. The Thunderbird is a twin if that's the kind of powerplant you like and the Rocket III Touring is more comfortable than the Road King and faster than the V-rod.
Both priced under $20k at $17k & $17.5k respectively.

Heck even the boutique brand has the Road King starting at $18,900.
By full sized touring cruiser I was referring to at least bags & fairing with a 1500 cc motor or higher. Sorry I probably should have been more specific.

Yeah I like the Thunderbirds too. Would be great if Triumph did a dresser.

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So I went to each mfg's web site on the bikes you listed, and the only one which I really count as a dresser is the Yammy. At $15,500 starting price, it ain't bad, and while it's got nav and a slightly lower price, the Kawi Vaq or Voyager beats it in all other categories.

Engine, power, saddlebag size, instrumentation and fairing, all in the Kawi's favor.

Despite its less-refined bits and lack of updates (other than new colors each year), the Kawi is a solid value proposal.

Yes, I'm somewhat biased, since I really like my Vaq.

-John
I'm really hoping that the rumors of a new Yamaha Venture are true. Would be great to have a full dresser with the current V-max engine (re-tuned) or the 1900cc mill they had in the Stratoliners.

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Mustang touring seat
Irons in the Fire rack
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The OP was discussing a "full sized touring cruiser for under $20,000". All of the bikes I listed meet that criteria.

I agree; they aren't full dressers; as I DID note in my second sentence.

I also agree with the fact that Kawi's are a good value. But, they haven't done anything to their cruiser line but shrink it in nearly 10 years.

So, either they're going to come out with something updated like matt7even is hoping for or they're going to continue to lose customers looking to buy new cruisers.

I think the only two cruiser lines that have seen growth of sales the last couple of years are Indian & Triumph.
I really hope the Japanese stay in the market because they set the standard for dependability; but it's pretty easy to see that all four of the Japanese brands are putting a LOT more money and design into sport and standard bikes.

Anyway, if Matt was looking for a dresser; they're getting harder & harder to find at any price point.

Scott

Luckily there is still a healthy used market which is most likely what I will end up looking at. Or may find some good deals on some Cross Country Tours the ex Victory dealers may be looking to close out. =)

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Polaris owns Victory and Indian, no? One cruiser line had to go.
I like the Voyager. It's priced right. It works. No need to blow $ on "chrome".
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