Yea, big help. At least I have a clue as to how these things are measured and also what I`m workin with. I`m thinking that an 8 or 9" rise and an 8" pb would put do the trick. Like everything else I do, I`ll toss the idea around for ever untill I`m sure....wish I could see and feel a bunch of them on our bike to make it easier. Most people just do the risers and seem to be happy with the way they feel, and is quite honestly all I really need....I`m just picky and don`t like the way they look. I just don`t want to get a set of bars with say, a 10" rise because I think thats what I`m looking for, and it looks rediculous!