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post #1 of 10 (permalink) Old 07-19-2018, 12:23 PM Thread Starter
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Michelin CII's vs. Shinko 777HD

I am in need of tires on my Voyager. Based on everything that I have read and talking to people, I have narrowed my choices down to the Commander II and the 777HD. I know people either love or hate the CIIs. I have a friend of mine that is on his third set, 19k miles on first set, 23k miles on his second set, and 10-12k on his current set. I also have a friend that tried them and got two out of round CIIs (front) so he went with the 777HD. Not sure on how many miles he has on the 777HDs.

Based on cost, the CIIs are around $140 more per set then the 777HD. I average 4-5000 miles a year. Are the CIIs worth the extra money based on that? I will give up some tread life for more grip.

I know the CIIs seem to be the go to tire for the Voyager, but with the bad stories about them, I am on the fence about them. There are not many reviews out there on the 777HDs, but they seem to be gaining ground. If tread life is in the range of 12-15000 miles, I would be happy.

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I got 14k out of my first set. I ride aggressively on all my scooters. I have no grip or wet road complaints thus far. Since I don"t ride the 777HD I have no opinion on it.
This guy seems to love the 777 HD


Everyone used to bad mouth Tomahawks but I loved them ( was doing track days on a 70 HP Ducati). All I will mention is if your tires don't last as long as the Commander II's you also have to factor in either the expense or time to change to a new set. ride what you like and don't worry , there is always gonna be someone who will tell you that you are wrong. ( If not then you are still single)

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Just put Metzler ME888 front and rear on my voyager. I don't have many miles on them yet but bike seem to handle nice. I won't bother next time saving the 50 bucks the dealer wanted to remove rear wheel after doing it it would have been money well spent and I have tools and lift, but while I had it apart I put on new rear brake pads (easy) and flushed brake fluids. I hate shopping for tires for anything to many options but son put me888 on his meanstreak last year and loves them so I followed his lead
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Just put Metzler ME888 front and rear on my voyager. I don't have many miles on them yet but bike seem to handle nice. I won't bother next time saving the 50 bucks the dealer wanted to remove rear wheel after doing it it would have been money well spent and I have tools and lift, but while I had it apart I put on new rear brake pads (easy) and flushed brake fluids. I hate shopping for tires for anything to many options but son put me888 on his meanstreak last year and loves them so I followed his lead
I've looked at the ME888s and they cost more then the commanders which is why I am not considering them.

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Just put the Shinko 777's on my 2001 1500 Classic Fi and love them. I was looking at the Metzlers and the guy at the bike shop talked me out of them. He told me that Shinko is the motorcycle division of Yokohama and they're the best tire for the money. My buddy who has a 2005 Classic Fi with the Metzlers took mine for a spin and said they felt just as good as his 888's, if not better. He's probably gonna go with the Shinko's next time since they're about half the price. I've put about 1000 miles on them so far and they feel great.

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Just put the Shinko 777's on my 2001 1500 Classic Fi and love them. I was looking at the Metzlers and the guy at the bike shop talked me out of them. He told me that Shinko is the motorcycle division of Yokohama and they're the best tire for the money. My buddy who has a 2005 Classic Fi with the Metzlers took mine for a spin and said they felt just as good as his 888's, if not better. He's probably gonna go with the Shinko's next time since they're about half the price. I've put about 1000 miles on them so far and they feel great.
Let us know what kind of mileage you get out of them. The Commander ll are a little more costly but have had great service from them.

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How have those 777s held up? I’ve gotten a couple nails in my rear tire (ME888), and so I’m trying to find a less pricey tire. I’m not sure I want to spend all that $ only to end up with holes in a tire. Was looking at the 777, but everyone I’ve spoken to bad mouths them. Funny thing is that everything I’ve read seems positive.

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I use Shinko on all 3 of my bikes. I'll be changing tires on my Honda VT1100T next week after 16K miles. I get mine from Chapmoto as they've always had the best price. For the set I'm changing I paid about $150 for the set 2 years ago. As long as I can find the sizes I need I'll be going with Shinko.
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I personally love my Shinko tires. I pretty much constantly have a project bike (or two) in the works somewhere, and I almost always run Shinko tires on them. The exception is where the bike is more for looks than riding, and the tire design plays a factor in that look.

At the shop I'm now part-time at (was full time before my accident), the shop's official recommended brand is Shinko. The owner and other mechanic both ride HD Ultra Classics, with Shinkos. And, no, the shop is not a Shinko dealer. They just like the tires that well. Plus they're budget friendly.

I've ridden I don't know how many bikes... Hundreds, literally. Dunlop, Michelin, Metzler, Pirelli, Bridgestone, Continental, Avon, I've ridden on about every brand (and most models) there is. Sportbikes, cruisers, touring, enduro, all different styles.

I have felt other brands slip and skitter at times when I knew the Shinko would grip. I've had a couple instances where I thought my Shinko would let go and it stayed planted very nicely as if asking for more. Some tires feel stiffer, and others softer, but for me the Shinkos hit the middle ground perfectly. For the money, I personally feel that Shinko has the other brands beat.

My 500 currently has the Dunlop it came with on the front and a Shinko 712 out back that I installed. I just ordered the matching 712 for the front last night (or to say it differently, I got my first paycheck after going back to work and that's the first thing I ordered).

I like the 712 for smaller bikes, and the 777 for bigger stuff. Personal preferences.

The Shinko tires do wear a bit faster than some of the other brands, but the price difference offsets this quite nicely.

The shop owner noted 14,000-16,000 miles with OE spec Dunlops on his Ultra, but only about 12,000 on the Shinko (rear tire comparison). Shinko costs about 1/2 the Dunlop's price. Not enough of a wear difference to worry me, but a lot easier on the wallet.

I only have that to go from as he is the only person I know who has made the swap and keeps written records of all his service work so I can verify what's said.

Okay, I got long-winded again. Bottom line is this... I've worked in the industry, been around it my whole life, been riding since I could hold my father's 82 Shadow 500 up on my own. Once I found Shinko tires and gave them an honest try, I've never looked back, and that's been some years ago. I have never had a tire issue that was caused by design issues or craftsmanship (nails in the road are a different story). If you're looking for a solid, budget friendly tire that actually performs, seriously consider a Shinko.
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I've had the Commanders on my 2012 Voyager, 14k 14.5k on them with plenty of tread left, these were on the rear, started cupped bad, so replaced them. Had the 777HD on once, got around 9k miles on it. Have since went double darkside, Yokohama Avid Envigor on the rear and a Shinko 777HD rear on the front. The Shinkos I feel gripped better than the Commanders, especailly in the wet. Price wise compared to life, they are about equal, but the grip makes me think the Shinkos are the better tire. I do have Shonkos on my 05 800 Classic and intend to keep using them on it.

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