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post #1 of 11 (permalink) Old 05-05-2016, 05:18 AM Thread Starter
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Double darkside

Ok, so here's the deal. Finally went darkside on my 07 v2klt. Used a general gmax as-03 in 205/55-60. I've got all kinds of room left so I will likely go at least 1 size bigger next got round and love the tire. Anyway, the front is heading out as well. Exactly 3670 miles on the tire at this point. I am seriously debating going double ds and can't help but wonder if there are any issues with mixing radial on the rear with bias on the front? May seem like a silly question but, oh well. Oh, if you feel the urge to flame the practice, just dont. Please.

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post #2 of 11 (permalink) Old 05-05-2016, 06:21 AM
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No pics?! Man, what a tease!

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Sorry, didn't have time at the initial post. Here you go.



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The top is the view most people get anyway! Only going away. Haha

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That's beautiful, man. Performance change at all?

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Bike hooks up a lot better, better braking. I'm running 40 psi right now and it wants to track road irregularities and makes you work more to steer at speeds under 25mph. Above that it starts going away and at 55-60 I can't even tell it's not a mc tire. Ride is smoother at all speeds. I live in southern West Virginia, so roads can be pretty rough along with lots of twisty stuff. I want to get at least 500 miles on it before I proclaim it the best thing since sliced bread. But so far I'm extremely optomistic. Many ppl don't like the practice and all I have to say is to each their own. My primary reason was economics. My last tires were/are bridgestone excedra max, front and back. I got 3670 miles out of the rear and the front isn't far behind. Now, granted I'm not an extremely aggressive rider and drag chrome and floorboards all the time, but neither do I drag my butt. It became apparent that either something had to happen that would extend the tire life. Whether that happened through darksiding, different tire, change in riding style, or machine. I am 50 yes old and have been riding one thing or the other for 44 of them. I, ME, all by MYSELF, decideded to go the route I have. Cheaper by far and truthfully allowed my to continue to ride what I want the way I want. Would I have done this on the zx-11 I had? Hell no! Darksiding is something that seems to be limited strictly to big, torqued, heavy cruisers. So here endeth the sermon. Sorry my response got out of hand, NOT!

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Hey, far be it for me to criticize someone else's choices, man. My line of mistakes trails far enough behind me that the 80's can reach it to pull me off my feet.
Anyway, I've never seen anyone do this. I think any modifications you make on your own are interesting. Personally, anything that doesn't put me, my family, or someone else at risk is fair game! I only started wrenching on my bike this year...hell a few months ago!...but it's almost as much fun as actually riding the darn thing. Now that I've started, all I do all day is dream up weird things to do to it.
Looks like you had a problem with your tires and then you fixed it. Awesome. Personally, I don't think there's a lot of difference between this and some of those enormous chopper tires you see around, except theirs are a little rounder on the edges. Guessing that improves handling and possibly the life of the tire, but it sounds like yours work fine, too. A quick search online (to define the term darksiding...newbie here) showed me that there are tons of people who do this. Some of them just do it as soon as they get a bike, so it can't be that bad.

Anyway, bike still looks great!

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Last fall when the weather started turning cool I knew I'd be tire shopping shortly after the start of the riding season. I'd heard of darksiding here and there and spent all winter researching it. I read any I could find both pro and con, and watched every video I could find multiple time, even pausing them and examining the contact areas. I then went to other riders whom I greatly respected and discussed it with the. In the forums, no matter what brand/model it's dedicated to its always the same. Ppl who support the practice have put in hundreds of thousands of miles in all conditions and yet report absolutely zero incidents caused exclusively to the tire. They are by and large supportive of the rider no matter what the decision is. On the other hand detractors more often than not proclaim you an idiot, moron as well as a host of other things, such as but not limited to you will die a fiery death, taking a bus load of small children, puppies and nuns with you, and subsequently die and go to hell. Their proof lies in the fact that tire, motorcycle, and magazine writers all to a person declare it blasphemy. Could it be they have an agenda, likely. The have a captive consumer niche, and designing a tire that performs better is absolutely not in their best interest. So looking at all of this, and being an independent thinker and not a bleating sheep I made my choice. Was it the correct one?, we'll find out. I have came to a couple of conclusions concerning this.
1: darksiding should be strictly limiter to the heavy, torqued, touring and cruising bikes. Never on a sport bike due to lean and handling characteristics.
2: the tire you choose should be v rated, rounded shoulders, and a directional tread pattern
3: I personally would never,never,never do this on a sport tourer such as a concours due to their being a loaded up, slightly defined version of their monster sport bike cousins.



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post #9 of 11 (permalink) Old 09-08-2019, 08:16 AM
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Copperhead, kool monicker btw, is an 800 Classic too small to go dark? Had a much smaller, 500 Buell thumper(one lunger) that ate tires like slim jim snacks so I'm there on economy. Only askin cause of your extensive research claimed. These shoes on m Vulc are best of my knowledge original, she's an 03 with less than 2300 original miles. She sat awhile in storage, not riden much, just idled to warm then put back to bed so I'm leary of any hidden issues to bite m butt. Havin feul probs now, due to her not kept on the road. Were in N central Ga so I intend ridin year round, with some slight mods of course. Thanks in advance
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And plz, what is v-rated??
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