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post #1 of 15 (permalink) Old 05-13-2016, 04:22 PM Thread Starter
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Pops out of Second

I have a friend with an 07. When he accelerates hard in second it pops out of gear, then goes back in when he backs off. He's been riding it like this for 20,000 miles and has no problem if he accelerates modestly in 2nd. All other gears work fine.
I'm gonna take a ride on it next week to see for myself. Any of you ever hear of something like this? The problem surfaced after he let a friend borrow it for a week.
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As close as I have experienced is that if I get lazy and don't shift into second with "gusto", it can pop out.. Decent shifting effort, no issue. Never had it pop back in, but when it popped out, immediately let off the throttle and re-did the to-second shift, then no problem.
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Yes Woody, sounds fishy. So today I ride over to see it, he offered me a ride. Got 5 blocks from his house, accelerated in 1st... it 'popped outa gear, went back in and then neutral'... the drive belt broke! My guess is he had the belt way too loose and it was skipping teeth, but is that possible? Or there's something amiss with the drive pulley, the '04 and 05s sometimes had drive pulley troubles.
He came out with a buddy in a pick up with a tie down strap. Get this, he wants his buddy to tow him back home behind his truck, with an 8' tow rope in his left hand and the handlebar in his right... wearing a short sleeve shirt and no helmet! These things weigh over 800lbs! After two attempts and almost two crashes, me scolding him and his buddy finally refusing to drive, we got a longer rope and ran it between the forks and one loop around the left grip (so he could let go and the rope would come loose). This worked OK.
I went to see his bike a little outa curiosity, but mostly because I had a hunch it wasn't a 2nd gear problem and I could help him out with a correct diagnosis... the Vulcan camaraderie thing. So that's what i did. Was he thankful? Not a bit.
He had put this belt on 'several rear tires ago', paid 500 for the belt & 500 for the installation. I've done two of these before so i offered to do the job for 200.00 + an aftermarket Gates belt for 225.00 (1/16" narrower, been running one for 30,000 miles so far). Then his bike would be worth maybe 5 grand instead of 2500.00. But he was too pissed to answer, just stormed into his house. I talked to his buddy for a few minutes and left.
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Popping out of gear can be a sign of bent shift fork(s) or dogs that are rounded off.

Dunno if it's practically possible to have the belt that loose and still function most of the time. Checking the cogged side may reveal if it has been jumping teeth.

Far as the pulleys go, seems like that may be intermittent under heavy load for a while but I think once it starts the failure progresses fairly fast to where there is pretty much no drive capability. And, usually, I think there is some grinding or slipping noise along with it.
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Too bad the visit didn't go better. Some gratitude! I guess he could have held the rope in his teeth! If he keeps up that kind of behavior he better have good health (and life?) insurance and a bunch of friends to alienate.
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The guy is retired, wonder how he lived this long!
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having the belt to tight (or to lose) would explain the belt stripping.

but I don't know why it would make it pop out of gear...

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I don't think it was popping outa gear. I think it was a belt problem.
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When he accelerates hard in second it pops out of gear, then goes back in when he backs off.
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I don't think it was popping outa gear. I think it was a belt problem.

yea.. i could see THAT as being a lose belt.. get on it hard and it starts to jump teeth.. back off and the teeth grab hold again.


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The belt should tell the story. Are the cogs damaged?
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